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"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIs this about me?"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI was honestly a bit puzzled about your post where you said you were going to leave the conversation, because nothing he said struck me as being rude or unreasonable.
Here's what I said...
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI apologize. I thought I was having a civil and reasonable discussion with you.
Exiting.
It just seemed pointless to carry on, as I was not addressing his concerns.
And if you were truly "puzzled about my post", you could have asked rather than assume.Last edited by Cow Poke; 08-12-2019, 12:10 PM.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI realized we weren't even on the same page -- I wasn't defending guns or anything - I was simply intrigued by the discussion about being "outgunned". When Adrift seemed to be annoyed that I was focused too much on the "side issue", I decided to exit the conversation.
Here's what I said...
That was neither emotional nor......
It just seemed pointless to carry on, as I was not addressing his concerns.
And if you were truly "puzzled about my post", you could have asked."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostOkay, sorry about the confusion!
AND, I might add -- Adrift is one of my favorite posters, and it seemed like we were really not gee-hawing. Rather than belabor it, I excused myself. Isn't that Christian?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI am not saying that looking at media influence is ridiculous, it is real. I am saying dismissing Trump's actions and words when they are direct over an imagined and ridiculous association with 'The Avengers' is ridiculous.
Trump is using increasingly hostile rhetoric against immigrants. His policies are abusive and are being classified outside the US as human rights violations. And your dismissal of anyone having issues with Trump as TDS is also ridiculous - and foolish. We only are prevented from being controlled by our preferred version of 'group think' by taking the time to listen to those that disagree with our point of view.Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 08-12-2019, 12:16 PM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI realized we weren't even on the same page -- I wasn't defending guns or anything - I was simply intrigued by the discussion about being "outgunned". When Adrift seemed to be annoyed that I was focused too much on the "side issue", I decided to exit the conversation.
No worries though. I realize that lacking body language and tone of voice, it's easy to misread someone's posts.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt's not the same. Not even close. There is no national agency lobbying to defend the right to drive drunk. There is no "national mood" that defends the right to drive drunk.
You're comparing apples and hand grenades.
That is point of demi. Whether there is 'national agency' is irrelevant to point of demi.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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The point I was trying to get at wasn't so much about anybody's behavior or actions on the forums; it was really about the rest of the post. I just don't get why there seems to be so much resistance toward acknowledging that the culture around gun rights/Second Amendment defenses/gun enthusiasm has some issues.
I think it would help everybody in the long run to try to understand where some of the opposition to guns truly comes from (just like how it would be good for people who know nothing about guns but oppose them to learn more, like how Ruth Bader Ginsburg asked Scalia to take her shooting)."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostThe point I was trying to get at wasn't so much about anybody's behavior or actions on the forums; it was really about the rest of the post. I just don't get why there seems to be so much resistance toward acknowledging that the culture around gun rights/Second Amendment defenses/gun enthusiasm has some issues.
I think it would help everybody in the long run to try to understand where some of the opposition to guns truly comes from (just like how it would be good for people who know nothing about guns but oppose them to learn more, like how Ruth Bader Ginsburg asked Scalia to take her shooting).The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI just don't get why there seems to be so much resistance toward acknowledging that the culture around gun rights/Second Amendment defenses/gun enthusiasm has some issues.
Yes, there are fanatics, but what is point of this? Lots of crazy people about lots of things, also does not mean they dominate culture.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostThe point I was trying to get at wasn't so much about anybody's behavior or actions on the forums; it was really about the rest of the post. I just don't get why there seems to be so much resistance toward acknowledging that the culture around gun rights/Second Amendment defenses/gun enthusiasm has some issues.....
Just like the current (vocal) batch of liberals resist ANY opposition to abortion because they see it as a slippery slope to abolishing abortion altogether.
I think conservatives see ANY capitulation to the left as the slippery slope to banning all guns.
There is no trust.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThinking on this some more -- I think it's a matter of trust.
Just like the current (vocal) batch of liberals resist ANY opposition to abortion because they see it as a slippery slope to abolishing abortion altogether.
I think conservatives see ANY capitulation to the left as the slippery slope to banning all guns.
There is no trust.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostThe point I was trying to get at wasn't so much about anybody's behavior or actions on the forums; it was really about the rest of the post. I just don't get why there seems to be so much resistance toward acknowledging that the culture around gun rights/Second Amendment defenses/gun enthusiasm has some issues.
I think it would help everybody in the long run to try to understand where some of the opposition to guns truly comes from (just like how it would be good for people who know nothing about guns but oppose them to learn more, like how Ruth Bader Ginsburg asked Scalia to take her shooting).sigpic
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