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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIt boggles the mind that a rumor about Trump colluding with Russia (which isn't even communist any more) has the Democrats trying to impeach him
, yet Sanders openly embraces SOVIET Russia and communism and they consider it a "good thing"
https://nypost.com/2020/02/19/bloomb...cratic-debate/“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostPolling with regards to the popularity of US Senators in their home states tends to consistently report Bernie Sanders as the most-popular of the 100 US Senators.
e.g. Morning Consult's rankings of Senators by popularity. Bernie is currently number 1 in that list with a +36% approval minus disapproval rating.
The youtuber you mention seems to be an outlier.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostNo. Trump was impeached because attempted to pressure the president of Ukraine to interfere in the US presidential election
No he's not Communist, he's a Democratic Socialist. Bernie himself rebuked Bloomberg when the latter called him Communist:
https://nypost.com/2020/02/19/bloomb...cratic-debate/
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“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” ChurchillAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View Post“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” Churchill
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThey have been trying to impeach him for 3 years.
When they couldn't prove any Russian Collusion™ the went on to something else.
I didn't say he was a communist (but he is) - I said he openly embraced Soviet Russia and communism.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThey have been trying to impeach him for 3 years. When they couldn't prove any Russian Collusion™ the went on to something else.
And Mueller made clear that Russia meddled in the 2016 election. Further: "The U.S. Senate’s Select Committee on Intelligence released Volume 1 of its report on Russian Active Measures Campaigns and Interference in the 2016 U.S. Election is as dark as it gets. The report summarily states that “the Russian government directed extensive activity, beginning in at least 2014 and carrying into at least 2017, against U.S. election infrastructure at the state and local level.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevean.../#7be346b01ff2
I didn't say he was a communist (but he is) - I said he openly embraced Soviet Russia and communism.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by seer View Post“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” Churchill
Marx wrote his philosophy in the nineteenth century, seeing the arc of capitalism over the previous century. And many others saw the inherent weaknesses of capitalism as a system. Even the weakness of a capitalist system within a democratic political system.
Failure, ignorance, envy, and misery are not just socialist problems, many looked at capitalism and saw all those same things.
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostAnd how would you describe capitalism?
Marx wrote his philosophy in the nineteenth century, seeing the arc of capitalism over the previous century. And many others saw the inherent weaknesses of capitalism as a system. Even the weakness of a capitalist system within a democratic political system.
Failure, ignorance, envy, and misery are not just socialist problems, many looked at capitalism and saw all those same things.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThe free exchange of goods.
Do you know of any other system that has lifted more people out of poverty? Look at Asia over the last 20 years.
Free markets are a-moral. Socialism on the other hand must covet what others have earned.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYes, democratic socialism, and that's the point. Capitalism and the free exchange of goods is not distinct from democratic socialism, they exist together as parts of one and the same system.
If complete free market capitalism is a-moral then so too are the people that support that economic system a-moral.
A-moral or immoral? I think, following the argument of Reinhold Niebuhr in Moral man, Immoral Society that collectively, the group can be immoral while the members, individually, are moral. This view also aligns with the Christian concept of the fallen nature of man (original sin). (I doubt you accept that, but Christians might accept an original sin argument)
I am capitalist, but do not see the system as amoral, rather fear its inherent immorality. At each moment, we, as a society must be aware of the pitfalls of the free market. One good example is whether we should allow the free market to work within the banking system. I think it is the restrictive and anti- lassez faire regulation which keeps us from falling into a financial abyss. And I don't think that view is pessimistic, rather I am an optimist on the American economy.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYes, democratic socialism, and that's the point. Capitalism and the free exchange of goods is not distinct from democratic socialism, they exist together as parts of one and the same system.
If complete free market capitalism is a-moral then so too are the people that support that economic system a-moral.
not involving questions of right or wrong; without moral quality; neither moral nor immoral.
I sell you my cow, and as long as I do not cheat you, there is nothing moral about the transaction. Democratic socialism is immoral however if you use the force of law to take what I earned and give it to another who has not earned it.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostI will write it again: Capitalism .... is not distinct from democratic socialism. Which also means democratic socialism is compatible with capitalism.
A-moral or immoral? I think, following the argument of Reinhold Niebuhr in Moral man, Immoral Society that collectively, the group can be immoral while the members, individually, are moral. This view also aligns with the Christian concept of the fallen nature of man (original sin). (I doubt you accept that, but Christians might accept an original sin argument)
I am capitalist, but do not see the system as amoral, rather fear its inherent immorality. At each moment, we, as a society must be aware of the pitfalls of the free market. One good example is whether we should allow the free market to work within the banking system. I think it is the restrictive and anti- lassez faire regulation which keeps us from falling into a financial abyss. And I don't think that view is pessimistic, rather I am an optimist on the American economy.
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