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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThere is no rational moral case against capital punishment - nor does Scripture provide an absolute proscription of it. Without God's clear intervention (which we no longer have - the urim and thummim) there can be no guarantee of a just outcome. God is perfect, we aren't.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI'm confused. I wasn't referring at all to anything to do with capitalization. Jim does it so often I ignore it. I was referring to calling capital punishment stupid.
Of course, I'm mad! I can't figure out how that confuses you."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat is your point about the High Priest's urim and thummim in the case of the death penalty?
Humans do little else."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostAt that time God provided a direct answer that was evidently readily interpreted. There would be no mistakes because God doesn't make any.
Humans do little else.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostButt out, Seer - unless you plan to defend his accusation.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostYou defended his accusation. Maybe you didn't intend to, as implied here, but you did. You made no clarification - you just defended what he said.
Of course, I'm mad! I can't figure out how that confuses you."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostBecause you were going on about a capitalization issue I hadn't even noticed."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo? You are not making sense, many cultures and peoples accepted slavery. It was pretty much universal.
Why is that primitive or better than what we have today, especially in your morally relative world?
https://www.amnestyusa.org/a-clear-s...oes-not-deter/
Americans tend to favor people keeping their own hard earned money rather than giving it to the government. This goes back to the Revolution.
https://www.theatlantic.com/business...uality/513185/
Yes and in those countries the religious would be happier than the non-religious.
Not the point Tass, which is - should personal happiness be the goal in life?
Happiness is the consequence of a just and equitable society not necessarily the "goal". .
What do you mean by health?“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by seer View PostButt out? I have no dog in this fight - I'm just trying to find out what your objection on Romans 13 is.
It is always the worldly wisdom of this age, "our societies are different, it's a different time, now we know better", whether it's about death penalty, (sub)ordination of women, homosexuality, or any other cherished modern belief.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIndeed. The point being made is that slavery was equally accepted by Christians as part of their culture and justified by the use of scripture. Just as historically ALL the cultural mores of the day in Christian societies have been justified by the use of scripture...e.g. the oppression of women.
Your argument was that capital punishment was a deterrent. It's not, it's vindictive revenge. “Scientists agree, by an overwhelming majority, that the death penalty has no deterrent effect. They felt the same way over ten years ago, and nothing has changed since then. States without the death penalty continue to have significantly lower murder rates than those that retain capital punishment".
The consequence is one of the most inequitable and violent countries in the Western world, “U.S. Ranks 23rd Out of 30 Developed Countries for Inequality.”
Except that one of the most religious countries in the Western world, the USA, ranks well below the more secular countries in the ‘Happiness' and 'Human Development' Indices.
“Personal happiness” is NOT the goal in life, despite the DOI’s assertion that among these "unalienable rights" are "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".
Happiness is the consequence of a just and equitable society not necessarily the "goal". .
I will leave that to the appropriate medical judgement in preserving the life or health of the woman in the third trimester vis a vis abortion.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostAre you being dense on purpose? If the murderer or rapist is executed is he deterred form ever harming anyone again? Yes or no?
The main problem here is that seer doesn't know what "deter" means.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostNo. They're prevented from doing it again. You can't deter some-one who is dead because they're not capable of considering the consequences and thus choosing between courses of action.
The main problem here is that seer doesn't know what "deter" means.Last edited by seer; 10-31-2019, 08:44 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Emphasising:Originally posted by seer View PostDeter does mean preventing from acting, by definition -To prevent or discourage (an action or behavior). No matter the means the murderer is prevented from harming again.
You called Tassman a liar because he took you to be using the actual definition, not your subset of it.
You owe him a retraction and an apology.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostNo. They're prevented from doing it again. You can't deter some-one who is dead because they're not capable of considering the consequences and thus choosing between courses of action.
The main problem here is that seer doesn't know what "deter" means.
Putting somebody to death certainly "prevents them from acting" to kill again.
However, it's common knowledge that the "deter" is intended to mean "deter others", and that's where it's really hard to make a case.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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