Separating immigrant families and imprisoning children

[seer]

And the Christian community is who he's schmoozing. And I just can't fathom why so many otherwise moral and upright people have been led down the primrose path by him. Mostly all I can do is stand back, shake my head and watch. But every now and again I try to wake up the sleepers. Usually not with much success.


Jim

Jim, again, Clinton was not an alternative, especially when it comes to the courts which will have a positive effect on the pro life movement and religious liberty for a generation to come. There was no choice. BTW my first choice was Scott Walker, then Ben Carson, then Cruz. I came over to Trump rather late.

[MaxVel]

I'm not trying to prove anything to you seer. To me its obvious. But if there were proof impeachment proceedings would have begun (maybe - there seems no end to what the GOP will tolerate from him to retain power). I'm pretty cynical of him, I will have to admit. I was no fan of the Clintons for similar reasons - but at the same time DT just takes it all to a whole new level.

Have you ever been the target of a bully that can schmooze it with the teachers and the kids he wants on his side? That's who Trump is. And the Christian community is who he's schmoozing. And I just can't fathom why so many otherwise moral and upright people have been led down the primrose path by him. Mostly all I can do is stand back, shake my head and watch. But every now and again I try to wake up the sleepers. Usually not with much success.


Jim

If not Trump, then who should have been President?

[KingsGambit]

If not Trump, then who should have been President?

Virtually anybody else. (And what does that question have to do with his post, anyway?)

Hillary Clinton is long gone from the political scene. It's time for the right to defend Trump on his own terms and not deflect by comparing him to Clinton or Obama, neither of whom hold any political office. As much as conservatives like to complain about so-called "Trump Derangement Syndrome", I still see an awful lot of posts and threads on here complaining about those two powerless individuals.

[Starlight]

Some news updates on the OP topic...

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Man with history of sex crimes working at Kansas shelter for unaccompanied migrant children:


Immigrant children say they were beaten, kept naked in cells and tied to chairs at center:


Trump's America continues to swirl down the toilet...

[rogue06]

Virtually anybody else. (And what does that question have to do with his post, anyway?)

Hillary Clinton is long gone from the political scene.

Yet she and Biden top 2020 Democratic presidential candidates in poll released by Harvard CAPS/Harris late last month and the Washington Post declared that she would be well-positioned to win in a rematch. While she said in May that she doesn't plan on running in 2020 she has left much of her campaign mechanisms intact and could be just one staged "listening tour" away from changing her mind -- not that I think she will.

It's time for the right to defend Trump on his own terms and not deflect by comparing him to Clinton or Obama, neither of whom hold any political office. As much as conservatives like to complain about so-called "Trump Derangement Syndrome", I still see an awful lot of posts and threads on here complaining about those two powerless individuals.

Obama especially is far from powerless having in effect set up a shadow government where he continues to organize things. More to the point, pointing out the left's rank hypocrisy of how they turned either a blind eye to what they did or actively applauded it and then suddenly decided that those things are nothing short of pure evil when Trump does the same thing is not deflecting by any stretch.

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A timely example

[oxmixmudd]

If not Trump, then who should have been President?

As I said earlier to CP, It was a rock and a hard place decision during the election. My problem is with the GOP and others who will not hold Trump accountable for his excesses. The one thing I counted on was all those republicans that understood what sort of person Trump was and who would push back when he acted like an idiot. Where are they? McCain is the only one that had the guts to do it without first announcing he was leaving politics. But now they and about 30+% of this country just swallow what he says hook line and sinker and literally would stick with him no matter what he did. Trump can do almost anything and people will still support him. It boggles the mind, but it is a lesson in why someone like Hitler could rise to power.

Jim

[KingsGambit]

Obama especially is far from powerless having in effect set up a shadow government where he continues to organize things. More to the point, pointing out the left's rank hypocrisy of how they turned either a blind eye to what they did or actively applauded it and then suddenly decided that those things are nothing short of pure evil when Trump does the same thing is not deflecting by any stretch.

But what relevance does that have to somebody like me or oxmixmudd who is not actively supporting Democrats by any means? I've tried to query you on that point before, in a post where I was criticizing Trump but expressly not defending Democrats, and you didn't seem to have any response but pointing out what Obama did (which was irrelevant to me).

[rogue06]

Some news updates on the OP topic...

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Heading to bed so I'll only address this one.

This is due in large measure to the parents refusing to respond to requests for information. Considering how many are in the country illegally themselves it is no surprise that many of them would be reluctant to answer the phone or mail from the government when they are asking questions pertaining to immigration.

Moreover, I'll question the accuracy of a source like Think Progress that describes the children being detained as being "toddlers" given that less than 20% are even under the age of 13. That is being disingenuously misleading at best.

[lilpixieofterror]

That just doesn't cut it.

The specific instance in question was not a time to try to address over-reactions on the African-American side.

The Neo-Nazi's and white supremacists have a history of lynching, abuse, and oppression of all non-whites (e.g the Holocaust, the KKK) that illicit a legitimate and angry response in this case from the African-American community. And in this case, treating as comparable any excesses on the African-American side is putting gasoline on a fire that needs to be put out, not fanned. And only an idiot (or a white-supremacist) would try to characterize the situation that way.

[Tassman]

Do you suppose it is possible that is because the way he is trying to solve the problem is worse than the problem itself? DT is not known for thinking things through, and he is more than willing to use 'human shields' in his quest for power.

The situation has moved beyond the original problem and, as you correctly say, the way Trump is trying to solve it is worse than the original problem itself. Now, the situation is that the government has no clear documentation of when the families were split up or a plan for when they could be reunited. It seems that 3,000 children have been separated but, with monumental incompetence, the government is still trying to figure out exactly which ones had parents taken away and who belongs to whom. It's possible that some of the children may never see there parents again. Even if they do, many will be permanently damaged by having had to endure such trauma at such an early age.

[demi-conservative]

It's time for the right to defend Trump on his own terms and not deflect by comparing him to Clinton or Obama, neither of whom hold any political office. As much as conservatives like to complain about so-called "Trump Derangement Syndrome", I still see an awful lot of posts and threads on here complaining about those two powerless individuals.

If you libs have real, real consistency, no need to point out special pleading of yours, complaints about Trump but not caring when Dems do same things. We know you just want to about Trump, sad!

[demi-conservative]

the government is still trying to figure out exactly which ones had parents taken away and who belongs to whom. It's possible that some of the children may never see there parents again.

No need to , lib.

DNA testing happening, cheek swab here and there, all will be well!

[Tassman]

No need to , lib.

Too much vodka makes you weepy, Ruskie.

DNA testing happening, cheek swab here and there, all will be well!

The incompetent government wouldn't need to resort to DNA testing if they had kept basic records. As it stands now they have lost around 3,000 kids...they don't even know exactly how many.

[MaxVel]

Virtually anybody else. (And what does that question have to do with his post, anyway?)

Hillary Clinton is long gone from the political scene. It's time for the right to defend Trump on his own terms and not deflect by comparing him to Clinton or Obama, neither of whom hold any political office. As much as conservatives like to complain about so-called "Trump Derangement Syndrome", I still see an awful lot of posts and threads on here complaining about those two powerless individuals.

Who apart from Trump should conservatively- inclined people who are unhappy with the failures of the Republicans have voted for?

Trump seems to be working on the main issues he campaigned on, things like immigration, American jobs, trade etc - the whole MAGA idea. It's unfair and unrealistic to chide people for voting for someone who they felt would address issues they cared about.

Citing incidences where Obama did similar things to what Trump is doing is not deflection when people who support Obama criticize Trump for doing what Obama also did.

[MaxVel]

As I said earlier to CP, It was a rock and a hard place decision during the election.

Agreed. Given that there were no ideal and realistic choices, Trump seems like a reasonable choice for those who wanted someone who might actually fight back against leftist media, Democrats, and the ineffective parts of the GOP.

My problem is with the GOP and others who will not hold Trump accountable for his excesses.

Ironically that ineffectiveness and spinelessness on their part is part of what made Trump appealing to many.

The one thing I counted on was all those republicans that understood what sort of person Trump was and who would push back when he acted like an idiot. Where are they? McCain is the only one that had the guts to do it without first announcing he was leaving politics. But now they and about 30+% of this country just swallow what he says hook line and sinker and literally would stick with him no matter what he did. Trump can do almost anything and people will still support him. It boggles the mind, but it is a lesson in why someone like Hitler could rise to power.

Jim

When a significantly - sized group of people are shut out of political expression, marginalized and told they are stupid, bigoted and evil, they react by looking for leaders with charismatic and strong personalities. Hence President Trump. The left has its share of responsibility for the current situation.