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    This article is a must read for anyone seeking to stop Trump from securing office a second time. It is about the billion dollar campaign being waged to spread disinformation. This is a campaign being waged by the Trump campaign to "flood the zone" with disinformation and continue the erosion of the media that Trump has been engaged in since he first announced his candidacy.
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

  • #2
    Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    This article is a must read for anyone seeking to stop Trump from securing office a second time. It is about the billion dollar campaign being waged to spread disinformation. This is a campaign being waged by the Trump campaign to "flood the zone" with disinformation and continue the erosion of the media that Trump has been engaged in since he first announced his candidacy.
    Like flooding the zone with the Russian hoax?
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by seer View Post
      Like flooding the zone with the Russian hoax?
      IMO, Trump brought "the Russian Hoax" on himself. Mueller was tasked to determine if there was Russian interference in the 2016 election - which he determined existed. So "Russia" was not a hoax. However, it was clear that their interference was to put their thumbs of the scale in favor of Trump, leaving open the question "did Trump know and was he involved?" Trump threw every obstacle possible at the investigation and did everything he could to undermine it, raising the question "what is he hiding?" Given Trump's history of malfeasance and corruption, and he numerous connections found between Russia and the Trump campaign, plus Trump's business interests in Russia, it was a valid question.

      And Mueller was clear: he did not find enough evidence to push forward with an accusation, and he wouldn't have pushed forward anyway if he had because of the DOJ posture on indicting a sitting president. He was also clear that his report was not intended to "exonerate" Trump. He left it to Congress and Congress did bupkus.

      Personally, I think Trump is dirty and has only been left in place because his base is rabidly devoted to him, which means all other elected Republicans are in fear of him, which means they are bending over backwards to protect him. The Republican party has abandoned its soul. I suspect it will never regain it.
      The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

      I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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      • #4
        Didn't you already create this thread?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by seanD View Post
          Didn't you already create this thread?
          Not really. That one was about the practice of "flooding the zone" as a general political strategy. The other thread was specifically about the planned (and underway) disinformation campaign the Trump administration has started.
          The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

          I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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          • #6
            Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
            IMO, Trump brought "the Russian Hoax" on himself. Mueller was tasked to determine if there was Russian interference in the 2016 election - which he determined existed. So "Russia" was not a hoax. However, it was clear that their interference was to put their thumbs of the scale in favor of Trump, leaving open the question "did Trump know and was he involved?" Trump threw every obstacle possible at the investigation and did everything he could to undermine it, raising the question "what is he hiding?" Given Trump's history of malfeasance and corruption, and he numerous connections found between Russia and the Trump campaign, plus Trump's business interests in Russia, it was a valid question.

            And Mueller was clear: he did not find enough evidence to push forward with an accusation, and he wouldn't have pushed forward anyway if he had because of the DOJ posture on indicting a sitting president. He was also clear that his report was not intended to "exonerate" Trump. He left it to Congress and Congress did bupkus.

            Personally, I think Trump is dirty and has only been left in place because his base is rabidly devoted to him, which means all other elected Republicans are in fear of him, which means they are bending over backwards to protect him. The Republican party has abandoned its soul. I suspect it will never regain it.
            Trump did not fabricate a fake dossier and then hand it over to corrupt officials who lied about it to the FISA court. He did not leak information about it to the press or many of the other (at the very least) extremely unethical stunts that Comey did. He did not repeatedly encourage anyone to fire Comey and then use that firing as justification to ramp up the investigation.

            But yeah, Trump brought it on himself. It's all his fault. He should never have beaten the appointed heir to the Obamessiah's throne and spoil her coronation since it was "her turn."

            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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            • #7
              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              He did not repeatedly encourage anyone to fire Comey and then use that firing as justification to ramp up the investigation.
              Trump fired Comey due to the Russia investigation and then admitted that that was the reason to Lester Holt. Have you forgotten that? Was he lying when he said that was the reason?

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              • #8
                I just heard about Silicon Valley billionaires planning a big campaign to use their technology to get Biden (haha. that's right. Biden) elected.

                It sounds like this is pitting high-powered socialist billionaires against a freedom-promoting campaign by Trump.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                  I just heard about Silicon Valley billionaires planning a big campaign to use their technology to get Biden (haha. that's right. Biden) elected.

                  It sounds like this is pitting high-powered socialist billionaires against a freedom-promoting campaign by Trump.
                  They see him as their route to power. They realize that he'll be nothing but a figurehead and hope to help control his Administration and gain the power they could never be elected to.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    Trump did not fabricate a fake dossier and then hand it over to corrupt officials who lied about it to the FISA court.
                    None of which actually happened. The dossier is not "fake," it has sections that are not confirmed and sections that are. It was not handed over to "corrupt officials;" it was handed over to the FBI leadership and was one of several elements used to legally secure FISA warrants. Some of the process steps were not followed as closely as they should have been, and that was caught and addressed.

                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    He did not leak information about it to the press or many of the other (at the very least) extremely unethical stunts that Comey did. He did not repeatedly encourage anyone to fire Comey and then use that firing as justification to ramp up the investigation.
                    Umm...he actually fired Comey himself - or did you forget that? And Comey's violations of process mostly came after he was fired. The ones he did before he was fired were mostly to Clinton's detriment, not Trump's

                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    But yeah, Trump brought it on himself. It's all his fault. He should never have beaten the appointed heir to the Obamessiah's throne and spoil her coronation since it was "her turn."
                    And yes - Trump brought it on himself.
                    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                      I just heard about Silicon Valley billionaires planning a big campaign to use their technology to get Biden (haha. that's right. Biden) elected.

                      It sounds like this is pitting high-powered socialist billionaires against a freedom-promoting campaign by Trump.
                      Umm...no. I don't know what the "silicon valley billionaires" are doing, but they have as much right to promote their chosen candidate as anyone else. If they set off on a disinformation campaign, however, they will be just as culpable as the Trump campaign.
                      The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                      I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        They see him as their route to power. They realize that he'll be nothing but a figurehead and hope to help control his Administration and gain the power they could never be elected to.
                        I hate to break it to you, but billionaires already have substantial power - including over the current administration and the current Congress. Money = power. And, since Citizen's United, Money = Speech. Not much we can do about either.
                        The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                        I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                          Umm...no. I don't know what the "silicon valley billionaires" are doing, but they have as much right to promote their chosen candidate as anyone else. If they set off on a disinformation campaign, however, they will be just as culpable as the Trump campaign.
                          Oh. Most certainly they shall meet all the fact-checker analysis. Their employees are the fact-checkers.

                          Since when are you expecting the media to provide anything beyond disinformation? Do you remember the media-lies thread?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                            This article is a must read for anyone seeking to stop Trump from securing office a second time. It is about the billion dollar campaign being waged to spread disinformation. This is a campaign being waged by the Trump campaign to "flood the zone" with disinformation and continue the erosion of the media that Trump has been engaged in since he first announced his candidacy.
                            Reading the article..

                            The presidentÂ’s reelection campaign was then in the midst of a multimillion-dollar ad blitz aimed at shaping AmericansÂ’ understanding of the recently launched impeachment proceedings. Thousands of micro-targeted ads had flooded the internet, portraying Trump as a heroic reformer cracking down on foreign corruption while Democrats plotted a coup. That this narrative bore little resemblance to reality seemed only to accelerate its spread. Right-wing websites amplified every claim. Pro-Trump forums teemed with conspiracy theories. An alternate information ecosystem was taking shape around the biggest news story in the country, and I wanted to see it from the inside.

                            The story that unfurled in my Facebook feed over the next several weeks was, at times, disorienting. There were days when I would watch, live on TV, an impeachment hearing filled with damning testimony about the president’s conduct, only to look at my phone later and find a slickly edited video—served up by the Trump campaign—that used out-of-context clips to recast the same testimony as an exoneration. Wait, I caught myself wondering more than once, is that what happened today?

                            There's a lot of begging the question here. It's assumed that one narrative (that the impeachment hearings were a Democrat / corrupt official hatchet job etc) is correct, and the other narrative (Trump literally Hitler etc) is false. Assumed, but not argued.

                            One could respond that what was really happening to the writer is that they were hearing the truth at last, and this was what was discombobulating them, as they left their left-wing media bubble.

                            One could also respond that the article is merely a whine that Trump and his supporters are putting their arguments and opinions out there, and that's bad, because he's bad and evil. But to complain about that is undemocratic and unfair. And disrespectful to the public, who are capable (or should be in a democracy) of making their own minds up, either way.

                            In short, the article reads like someone who is upset that Trump et al dare play the same game the left media and the Democrats have been playing for quite some time. Well, boo hoo. Turn about is fair play.
                            ...>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                              None of which actually happened. The dossier is not "fake," it has sections that are not confirmed and sections that are.


                              They presented it as a legitimate intelligence analysis when it was bought and paid for smear campaign by the DNC/Clinton campaign (which as Donna Brazile admitted were one and the same at the time)

                              Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                              It was not handed over to "corrupt officials;" it was handed over to the FBI leadership
                              Who have been exposed as having been corrupt

                              Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                              and was one of several elements used to legally secure FISA warrants.
                              Which they leaked to the press and then claimed the news stories based on those leaks were "independent confirmation" of the dossier's claims.

                              Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                              Some of the process steps were not followed as closely as they should have been, and that was caught and addressed.
                              An understatement if there ever was one.

                              Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                              Umm...he actually fired Comey himself - or did you forget that?
                              After being urged by Rosenstein to do so, who then immediately turned around and used the firing to rationalize ramping up the investigation.

                              Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                              And Comey's violations of process mostly came after he was fired.
                              A tacit admission that he was corrupt

                              Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                              And yes - Trump brought it on himself.
                              Of course. He kept the queen from being coronated and that is unforgivable.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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