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Originally posted by seer View PostNo, slavery. If I force you to serve me under threat what else would you call it?Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostI wonder if the baker could simple supply a cake, but refuse to decorate as per the customers wishes, but supply them the means of doing so themselves?Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostI wonder if the baker could simple supply a cake, but refuse to decorate as per the customers wishes, but supply them the means of doing so themselves?
That's what one baker offered in the video that Sparky posted.
But, you know, if I am paying for a cake, I pretty much want a finished cake, so I would not be happy with that solution. Regardless of my sexual orientation. Maybe some people would, though.
However, it looks like there are a lot of bakeries in the world that would make a cake for gay ceremonies, so why are they not being used by those of the same mindset?Last edited by mossrose; 10-25-2016, 11:04 AM.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostPerhaps. He could also outsource it to another baker.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIt’s really very simple. One’s personal beliefs have no place in business...provided one is not being asked to provide or do something unlawful.
"Print 100 t-shirts with Leviticus 18:2 on the front"
"Design a logo with Leviticus 18:2"
According to you the no gay person could have a legal objection to the first one, or the second one. Only the third one in as much as no artist can be forced to sell a specific design on a commission basis.
Furthermore the American law here is broken.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostHowever, it looks like there are a lot of bakeries in the world that would make a cake for gay ceremonies, so why are they not being used by those of the same mindset?
Its still awful that they can abuse the privilege the law has given them.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostMisrepresentation. No-one is forcing the guy to be a baker.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostThere have been some concerns about gays systematically looking for Christians bakers and getting to bake gay wedding cakes with decorations and all. Once they're outed, they're sued for hundred of thousands of dollars (for emotional damages... and if I remember the infamous suit we talked about on tweb, also weight gain... I kid you not). Thankfully it doesn't happen that often.
Its still awful that they can abuse the privilege the law has given them.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Roy View PostPerhaps. He could also outsource it to another baker.
Out of curiosity I made a quick check and found several Halal bakeries in my area who also make wedding cakes. Funny that they aren't forcing the people who belong to a religion that still executes gays in many places to make their wedding cake. It is almost like they are afraid that the cake might blow up or something.
1. For those overseas, Jackson is a famous Civil Rights leader and one time presidential candidate who recounted that while younger and working as a waiter he would habitually spit in white customers food before serving it.
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Seer, what do you make of the point that one's personal beliefs should play no part in business? It's business, it is said. A homosexual's money is the same as everyone elses' and that's all that should concern a Christian businessman. If making money is not their only concern, they should not be in business. A valid point?
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Originally posted by ukchristian28 View PostSeer, what do you make of the point that one's personal beliefs should play no part in business? It's business, it is said. A homosexual's money is the same as everyone elses' and that's all that should concern a Christian businessman. If making money is not their only concern, they should not be in business. A valid point?
I am sure I don't have to quote the end of Romans 1 here. It is clear from the last verse of that chapter that believers are not to give approval to those who disobey God's law by doing anything that would suggest agreeing with them in any way. So taking the money of a homosexual or a prostitute as payment for a service that would celebrate that lifestyle is going against God's word.
What should concern a Christian businessperson is that their business reflects integrity and truth and compliance with God's word. That is all that matters.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWhy would you want to use a bakery that obviously doesn't want your business in the first place? The baker could accidentally add too much of an ingredient so that the cake wasn't very good, or pull a Jesse Jackson[1]. Personally, I'd think most people would want everything to go as perfectly as possible on that special day and wouldn't take such a chance. That is of course unless going perfectly for them is defined as deliberately rubbing it into the noses of anyone they think might not approve.
Out of curiosity I made a quick check and found several Halal bakeries in my area who also make wedding cakes. Funny that they aren't forcing the people who belong to a religion that still executes gays in many places to make their wedding cake. It is almost like they are afraid that the cake might blow up or something.
1. For those overseas, Jackson is a famous Civil Rights leader and one time presidential candidate who recounted that while younger and working as a waiter he would habitually spit in white customers food before serving it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by ukchristian28 View PostSeer, what do you make of the point that one's personal beliefs should play no part in business? It's business, it is said. A homosexual's money is the same as everyone elses' and that's all that should concern a Christian businessman. If making money is not their only concern, they should not be in business. A valid point?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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