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  • #16
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    hypocrisy at it's finest here.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by seer View Post
      No, slavery. If I force you to serve me under threat what else would you call it?
      Misrepresentation. No-one is forcing the guy to be a baker.
      Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

      MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
      MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

      seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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      • #18
        I wonder if the baker could simple supply a cake, but refuse to decorate as per the customers wishes, but supply them the means of doing so themselves?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
          I wonder if the baker could simple supply a cake, but refuse to decorate as per the customers wishes, but supply them the means of doing so themselves?
          Perhaps. He could also outsource it to another baker.
          Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

          MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
          MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

          seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
            I wonder if the baker could simple supply a cake, but refuse to decorate as per the customers wishes, but supply them the means of doing so themselves?

            That's what one baker offered in the video that Sparky posted.

            But, you know, if I am paying for a cake, I pretty much want a finished cake, so I would not be happy with that solution. Regardless of my sexual orientation. Maybe some people would, though.

            However, it looks like there are a lot of bakeries in the world that would make a cake for gay ceremonies, so why are they not being used by those of the same mindset?
            Last edited by mossrose; 10-25-2016, 11:04 AM.


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            • #21
              Originally posted by Roy View Post
              Perhaps. He could also outsource it to another baker.
              That's the policy in Denmark for doctors who are against abortion. In case where they get a patient who doesn't want it, they're legally required to refer them to someone else if the patient asks for it. The doctor is not forced to recommend it.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                It’s really very simple. One’s personal beliefs have no place in business...provided one is not being asked to provide or do something unlawful.
                "Bake me a cake with Leviticus 18:2 on it"
                "Print 100 t-shirts with Leviticus 18:2 on the front"
                "Design a logo with Leviticus 18:2"

                According to you the no gay person could have a legal objection to the first one, or the second one. Only the third one in as much as no artist can be forced to sell a specific design on a commission basis.

                Furthermore the American law here is broken.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                  However, it looks like there are a lot of bakeries in the world that would make a cake for gay ceremonies, so why are they not being used by those of the same mindset?
                  There have been some concerns about gays systematically looking for Christians bakers and getting to bake gay wedding cakes with decorations and all. Once they're outed, they're sued for hundred of thousands of dollars (for emotional damages... and if I remember the infamous suit we talked about on tweb, also weight gain... I kid you not). Thankfully it doesn't happen that often.

                  Its still awful that they can abuse the privilege the law has given them.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Roy View Post
                    Misrepresentation. No-one is forcing the guy to be a baker.
                    Spoken like a good brown shirt, we can not operate unless we follow your totalitarian rules.
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                      There have been some concerns about gays systematically looking for Christians bakers and getting to bake gay wedding cakes with decorations and all. Once they're outed, they're sued for hundred of thousands of dollars (for emotional damages... and if I remember the infamous suit we talked about on tweb, also weight gain... I kid you not). Thankfully it doesn't happen that often.

                      Its still awful that they can abuse the privilege the law has given them.
                      That is exactly what happened to "Sweet Cakes by Melissa." They were targeted by a gay couple who knew of their Christian beliefs, even though there were many other bakeries in town. And Melissa even recommended another bakery. The Kleins were fined $135,000 and face bankruptcy, though they are appealing.
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Roy View Post
                        Perhaps. He could also outsource it to another baker.
                        Why would you want to use a bakery that obviously doesn't want your business in the first place? The baker could accidentally add too much of an ingredient so that the cake wasn't very good, or pull a Jesse Jackson[1]. Personally, I'd think most people would want everything to go as perfectly as possible on that special day and wouldn't take such a chance. That is of course unless going perfectly for them is defined as deliberately rubbing it into the noses of anyone they think might not approve.

                        Out of curiosity I made a quick check and found several Halal bakeries in my area who also make wedding cakes. Funny that they aren't forcing the people who belong to a religion that still executes gays in many places to make their wedding cake. It is almost like they are afraid that the cake might blow up or something.












                        1. For those overseas, Jackson is a famous Civil Rights leader and one time presidential candidate who recounted that while younger and working as a waiter he would habitually spit in white customers food before serving it.

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                        • #27
                          Seer, what do you make of the point that one's personal beliefs should play no part in business? It's business, it is said. A homosexual's money is the same as everyone elses' and that's all that should concern a Christian businessman. If making money is not their only concern, they should not be in business. A valid point?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by ukchristian28 View Post
                            Seer, what do you make of the point that one's personal beliefs should play no part in business? It's business, it is said. A homosexual's money is the same as everyone elses' and that's all that should concern a Christian businessman. If making money is not their only concern, they should not be in business. A valid point?
                            I'm not seer, but I disagree with you. We don't leave our Christianity at the door when we leave our home. Our faith is part of who we are. Business should be conducted according to the principles stated in God's word just as much as in our private lives.

                            I am sure I don't have to quote the end of Romans 1 here. It is clear from the last verse of that chapter that believers are not to give approval to those who disobey God's law by doing anything that would suggest agreeing with them in any way. So taking the money of a homosexual or a prostitute as payment for a service that would celebrate that lifestyle is going against God's word.

                            What should concern a Christian businessperson is that their business reflects integrity and truth and compliance with God's word. That is all that matters.


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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              Why would you want to use a bakery that obviously doesn't want your business in the first place? The baker could accidentally add too much of an ingredient so that the cake wasn't very good, or pull a Jesse Jackson[1]. Personally, I'd think most people would want everything to go as perfectly as possible on that special day and wouldn't take such a chance. That is of course unless going perfectly for them is defined as deliberately rubbing it into the noses of anyone they think might not approve.

                              Out of curiosity I made a quick check and found several Halal bakeries in my area who also make wedding cakes. Funny that they aren't forcing the people who belong to a religion that still executes gays in many places to make their wedding cake. It is almost like they are afraid that the cake might blow up or something.












                              1. For those overseas, Jackson is a famous Civil Rights leader and one time presidential candidate who recounted that while younger and working as a waiter he would habitually spit in white customers food before serving it.
                              Yeah, that.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by ukchristian28 View Post
                                Seer, what do you make of the point that one's personal beliefs should play no part in business? It's business, it is said. A homosexual's money is the same as everyone elses' and that's all that should concern a Christian businessman. If making money is not their only concern, they should not be in business. A valid point?
                                You can not be something you are not. You don't give up your beliefs in the market place. And no, it is not a valid point. Being in business does not mean you have to sell your soul.
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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