It seems that if materialism/atheism is true no behavior could rightly be considered abnormal. Not homosexuality, pedophilia, not transgenderism, not bestiality. If psychologically there is no objectively right way for a human to act or be, what behavior couldn't be considered normal for our species? Certainly things like murder or rape, though practiced less, would have to be considered normal.
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3sTags: None
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Just to get it out of the way now, the counterargument is going to be "anything that threatens the survival of the species"."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by seer View PostIt seems that if materialism/atheism is true no behavior could rightly be considered abnormal. Not homosexuality, pedophilia, not transgenderism, not bestiality. If psychologically there is no objectively right way for a human to act or be, what behavior couldn't be considered normal for our species? Certainly things like murder or rape, though practiced less, would have to be considered normal.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostJust to get it out of the way now, the counterargument is going to be "anything that threatens the survival of the species".Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThat's correct. We determine what is normal or abnormal behavior, but we make these determinations, like sins, via reason, not through the revelations of an imagined deity.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI have no idea what that means Jim, what reason? Whose reason?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe same reason you use when trying to decide whether what you are about to do is right or wrong. You could choose wrongly, correct? But as a society we make learned decisions and codify them. All of what we decide to be abnormal behaviors do not come from you bible, right? Where do you think they come from?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostJust to get it out of the way now, the counterargument is going to be "anything that threatens the survival of the species".
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Originally posted by seer View PostWell having grown up in the Christian west I believe Scripture had a heavy influence on our moral thinking. And learned decisions? Like what the Maoists did?
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Originally posted by LeaC View PostHow does any of it threaten the survival of the species? Animals kill, rape, and engage in many questionable sexual practices among their own species on a regular basis. None of it threatens them on a larger scale, and there have been atheists who have defended rape from an evolutionary perspective. Obviously I think it's wrong, because I believe in objective morality, but I don't see how they have any basis to claim that "reason" or "survival" justifies not behaving in certain ways.Last edited by JimL; 04-21-2019, 07:52 PM.
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhy would that be abnormal? If there was a genetic predisposition towards our own destruction, it wouldn't be good, but abnormal? As a matter of fact if the majority thought/acted that way those who sought to preserve the species would be the abnormal ones.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostDo you think the animals, because of not knowing, or not understanding gods moral code, are immoral for not abiding it? We thinking beings use reason to decide what kind of behavior's are in our best interests as a community living together. That's how "reason" justifies our moral codes of behavior.
So, if enough people decided that pedophilia was in the best interest of a community, there would be no moral objection to it? What connection does that have to reason? As a more moderate example, there are many people today who argue that the world is overpopulated. Wouldn't reason and self-interested survival suggest that we should kill people(whatever group may have undesirable traits that we as a society dictate) until our numbers balance out? In other words, why was Thanos wrong, if reason is the only means to judge moral actions.
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Originally posted by LeaC View PostImmorality doesn't make sense to apply to animal behavior(which I know is not your argument either).
So, if enough people decided that pedophilia was in the best interest of a community, there would be no moral objection to it?
What connection does that have to reason? As a more moderate example, there are many people today who argue that the world is overpopulated. Wouldn't reason and self-interested survival suggest that we should kill people(whatever group may have undesirable traits that we as a society dictate) until our numbers balance out? In other words, why was Thanos wrong, if reason is the only means to judge moral actions.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWhy not? Would human beings who are ignorant of your gods moral code be immoral for not abiding it?
Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, but if for some "reason" pedophilia was deemed to be in the best interests of society, then it would probably be considered to be normal. But of course that is silly, because we know that would actually contradict sound "reason."
Originally posted by JimL View PostNo,that wouldn't be "reasonable" as those people, or groups of people are part of the whole community. What we do is use birth control, have less children than we used to, allow women to have control over their own bodies, abortion etc.
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