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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostThere is no explaining away needed what so ever. As far as I know Mountain Man is not a Jew subject to Old Covenant obligations. God never demanded that gentiles follow the Law of Moses unless they specifically asked to become part of the covenant between God and the Jewish people.
The Dominionists of the ilk of Ted Cruz or Mike Pence wouldn’t hesitate. They hold that divine law, including the judicial laws of the Old Testament, should be observed to the letter, by modern Christians.
The Quiverfull Movement, as represented by the Duggar family and many others, base their program on Psalm 127: “Children are a heritage from the Lord, offspring a reward from him. Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one’s youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them”.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostExcept that the OT has been used by Christians when convenient in order to reinforce the values of the day and disregarded when not, e.g. slavery, witch-killing, denying female emancipation and LGBT rights.
The Dominionists of the ilk of Ted Cruz or Mike Pence wouldn’t hesitate. They hold that divine law, including the judicial laws of the Old Testament, should be observed to the letter, by modern Christians.
The Quiverfull Movement, as represented by the Duggar family and many others, base their program on Psalm 127: “Children are a heritage from the Lord, offspring a reward from him. Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one’s youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them”.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostAnd all of this demonstrates that MM is trying to "explain away" anything at all in what way?“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostMy post was in response to your comment: "God never demanded that gentiles follow the Law of Moses unless they specifically asked to become part of the covenant between God and the Jewish people." MM was in fact demonstrating that he was following the "ethic" of the OT Law albeit in a non-literal way.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostGiving examples of Christians who feel/felt the need to follow every law and command in the Old Testament to the very letter does not in any way show that MM is trying to explain away anything at all.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThat is precisely what it is showing MM to be doing. He is claiming to follow OT Law re stoning bad people to death by arguing that he still follows that law (something you say he shouldn’t do because he is “not part of the covenant between God and the Jewish people”) by locking them up rather than stoning them to death.
No, that's not what he's doing at all.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostJust as it is “good and right” for our society to NOT to kill witches, own slaves, segregate blacks, deny female emancipation and deny LGBT rights. It’s just as subjective. It’s just the social mores of the day evolving and scripture being adjusted to justify them...as always.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSo your objection to what happened in the bible is pure nonsense according to your own standards.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostMy “standards” are dictated by community values and these values change over time. However, YOUR standards are dictated by ‘divinely revealed’ objective morality, which are NOT supposed to change; they are eternal. This makes it a tad awkward for you when the community values change.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSo your standards are merely social preferences that can change and mean nothing ultimately. They are like fashion. Today we like straight legged bluejeans and in the 1970s they liked bell bottoms. Neither is better or worse than the other, so if you were to claim that people who owned slave were evil scum, it would make as much sense as you claiming that people who wore bell bottoms were evil scum.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWrong. I think you guys are being willfully ignorant. Morals are not like fashion where neither is better or worse, they are like evolution wherein what is better survives. That doesn't make morals absolute in a supernatural sense. There is nothing about behaviors best suited for social survival that necessitates a divine source.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWhy are you answering for Tassman, Jimothy? You and he don't have the same view of morals. You believe in some objective value you call "better" - Tassman believes only in changing morals that flow with society, none of which are better or worse than any other. So how about you stick to the posts where I tell you how stupid you are for believing in an objective standard of "good" while claiming morals are relative, and not butt in when I am talking to Tassman who at least has a coherant view of morality, even though it is wrong?
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