Which is more important? Becoming the right kind of person or doing what is right for the right reasons. Can someone explain why?
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Becoming the Right Person vs. Doing Right for Right Reasons
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Presumably, the right kind of person would do the right thing for the right reasons. Which would not preclude the wrong kind of person from doing the right thing for the right reasons, AFAICT1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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That would be determined by what the particular right thing is, meseems.
True - all the permutations would seemingly work.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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In Christian Theology doing right without being the right kind of person is a good thing but the purpose of a new nature is to be the right kind of person.
The goal isn't an external moderation of behavior but a change of nature (that which corrupts comes from the internal, not from the external).
I don't even know if my answer is on topic.Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Who or "what" determines. Who is personal, that only a personal source determines what constitutes what is good. "What" is only if what is good is a matter of objective reality. The "Who" and "what" can be one and the same. Or only be one or the other not both.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostPresumably, the right kind of person would do the right thing for the right reasons. Which would not preclude the wrong kind of person from doing the right thing for the right reasons, AFAICT
Anyway, I'm not sure if the wrong kind of person can do the right thing for the right reasons. To me it seems like the doing the right thing because you're the right kind of person is the same as doing it for the right reason.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostI was going to reply to this post, but I was so tired I accidentally amened it. I don't think even Cow Poke has ever made that kind of blunder.
Anyway, I'm not sure if the wrong kind of person can do the right thing for the right reasons. To me it seems like the doing the right thing because you're the right kind of person is the same as doing it for the right reason.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Jaxb View PostWhich is more important? Becoming the right kind of person or doing what is right for the right reasons. Can someone explain why?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostI was going to reply to this post, but I was so tired I accidentally amened it. I don't think even Cow Poke has ever made that kind of blunder.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostWhat's the difference? It seems to me like the right kind of person will do what is right for the right reasons...
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Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View PostIn Christian Theology doing right without being the right kind of person is a good thing but the purpose of a new nature is to be the right kind of person.
The goal isn't an external moderation of behavior but a change of nature (that which corrupts comes from the internal, not from the external).
I don't even know if my answer is on topic.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostOh really? And what happens when competing religions hold absolute beliefs which are mutually exclusive?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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