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    After two years of nonsense by the DOJ, the case against Andrew McCabe has been closed. The Justice Dept after multiple tries could not get a Grand Jury to indict and, having no actual case, would not charge McCabe, but delayed and delayed and delayed until they realized the Judge was fed up with their delays and they opted to close the case rather than ask the Judge one more time for a delay. That is an example of the Trump Justice Departments inclination to punish his percieved enemies, innocent or not, and let his corrupt loyalists, those multiple cases that Atty Gen. Barr has been intervening in, off the hook. The rule of law has been breached and Atty Gen. Barr should be impeached immediately before any more damage to the Justice Dept. is done.

    http://www.sandiegotribune.com/new/nation-world/story/2020-02-14/justice-dept-closes-case-against-ex-fbi-official-mccabe
    Last edited by JimL; 02-15-2020, 04:49 PM.

  • #2
    Two tiered justice system. McCabe did exactly what Michael Flynn is accused of doing: lying under oath to investigators, yet Flynn's life has been destroyed while McCabe walks free. Disgusting.

    mccabe-1.jpg
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...es-under-oath/
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      Two tiered justice system. McCabe did exactly what Michael Flynn is accused of doing: lying under oath to investigators, yet Flynn's life has been destroyed while McCabe walks free. Disgusting.

      [ATTACH=CONFIG]42790[/ATTACH]
      https://theconservativetreehouse.com...es-under-oath/
      Is lack of candor an indictable offence?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by JimL View Post
        The Justice Dept after multiple tries could not get a Grand Jury to indict
        I seem to recall back when Mueller was filing his indictments the constant refrain here from the bumpkins sticking their heads in the sand was that you can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.

        I guess it isn't true. I guess you need actual evidence. I guess Trump and Barr's fishing expeditions against their person enemies and misuse of the government to further those ends has floundered on the rocks of having no actual facts to back them up.
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        • #5
          Never surprised by the ol' Potomac Two-Step.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Watermelon View Post
            Is lack of candor an indictable offence?
            Yes. That's legalese for "lying".
            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
              Yes. That's legalese for "lying".
              I don’t think so. It’s not a phrase I’ve previously encountered so I had to look it up and it seems to mean something like ‘not assisting with their full ability’. Not being as helpful as they can or should be.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                Two tiered justice system. McCabe did exactly what Michael Flynn is accused of doing: lying under oath to investigators, yet Flynn's life has been destroyed while McCabe walks free. Disgusting.

                [ATTACH=CONFIG]42790[/ATTACH]
                https://theconservativetreehouse.com...es-under-oath/
                This was the Trump/Barr DOJ that decided to drop the charges, MM. They did this after two years of playing games with the Judge by repeatedly asking for more time until the frustrated Judge finally said to them to either put up or shut up. They shut up.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Watermelon View Post
                  I don’t think so. It’s not a phrase I’ve previously encountered so I had to look it up and it seems to mean something like ‘not assisting with their full ability’. Not being as helpful as they can or should be.
                  “Lack of candor is untruthfulness or an attempt to dissemble from the point of view of the investigator,” said Dave Gomez, a former FBI agent and a senior fellow at George Washington University’s Center for Cyber and Homeland Security. “The problem comes when, in answering a question, the person under investigation attempts to spin his answer in order to present his actions in the best possible light. This is normal human behavior, but can be interpreted as a lack of candor by the investigator.”

                  https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...candor/556262/

                  So it's either outright lying, or giving answers that are deliberately intended to deceive. Regardless, it's a crime, especially when one is under oath as McCabe was on three separate occasions. There's no question that he should have been charged, and it's hard to say why he wasn't.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • #10
                    Now it's starting to make sense...

                    DAG Rosenstein could not prosecute James Wolfe without exposing ‘seditious‘ activity within the U.S. government itself. Not pretend sedition or theoretical sedition, but an actual pre-planned subversive operation with forethought and malice.

                    Likewise AG Bill Barr cannot prosecute Andrew McCabe without exposing the same ‘seditious‘ activity; which also encompasses the activity of Rod Rosenstein. Whether Barr wants to protect Rosenstein is moot; if Barr wants to protect the institutions from sunlight on two years of actual seditious activity, he has to protect Rosenstein.

                    It’s the underlying activity that cannot be allowed to surface; the institutions of government are not strong enough, nor are they set-up to handle, prosecutions that overlap all three branches of government. [ex. read former questions]

                    However, that said, now AG Bill Barr is facing a downstream and parallel issue within the prosecution of Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn. How can Michael Flynn be sentenced for lying to the FBI when the DOJ is necessarily refusing to prosecute Andrew McCabe (at least what has been made public) for the exact same behavior?

                    Against this dynamic, the DOJ has two options: (Option A) go even harder at General Flynn using additional charges that are not as comparable to McCabe. (Option B) find a way to drop the prosecution.

                    This dynamic is why the McCabe prosecution was not resolved in 2018. This issue explains why there has been such a delay in the McCabe issue(s) since Bill Barr came into the picture in February 2019.

                    If Flynn just took the plea, everything would have been easier for the DOJ. There would have been nothing to compare between the two, and time would have created distance to avoid any real comparison. But Flynn reversed position and backed away from the plea.

                    ...

                    Those who framed the sedition recognize Bill Barr’s outlook on institutional preservation is an opportunity to weaponize against him. That is why four prosecutors could so easily defy his authority and set Barr up with the Roger Stone sentencing recommendation.

                    The Lawfare team know Bill Barr is trying to navigate away from exposing seditious corruption the same Lawfare team helped facilitate. The Lawfare group know Barr cannot prosecute McCabe; and they know exactly why. The Lawfare group can also see Barr protecting Rosenstein; and again, they know the reason why.

                    The corrupt crew saw what the DOJ and FBI did when they had the opportunity to expose it all in 2018. DAG Rosenstein was afraid.

                    In 2020 AG Barr’s value for the institutions is also why AG Barr is afraid…

                    The seditious group filled the DOJ fire truck tanks with gasoline, and then they lit the House on fire. General Flynn is trapped on the roof…. The neighborhood is shouting at fire Chief Barr “put out the [censored] fire you idiots“, and wondering why everyone is just watching the House burn. Meanwhile, there’s several firefighters who know what’s in the tanks, and they are standing, smiling, hoses at the ready, cheering-on the angry shouts from the crowd…

                    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...-ag-bill-barr/
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      “Lack of candor is untruthfulness or an attempt to dissemble from the point of view of the investigator,” said Dave Gomez, a former FBI agent and a senior fellow at George Washington University’s Center for Cyber and Homeland Security. “The problem comes when, in answering a question, the person under investigation attempts to spin his answer in order to present his actions in the best possible light. This is normal human behavior, but can be interpreted as a lack of candor by the investigator.”

                      https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...candor/556262/

                      So it's either outright lying, or giving answers that are deliberately intended to deceive. Regardless, it's a crime, especially when one is under oath as McCabe was on three separate occasions. There's no question that he should have been charged, and it's hard to say why he wasn't.
                      From your link:

                      “Under the FBI’s standard, candor is not simply telling the truth—it confers an obligation to disclose relevant information even if an investigator has not directly asked about it. The standards are strict—one former FBI official estimated 20 to 30 bureau employees were dismissed annually for matters of candor.”


                      Staying silent would be also be a lack of candor.

                      What do you think the charge should have been?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Watermelon View Post
                        From your link:

                        “Under the FBI’s standard, candor is not simply telling the truth—it confers an obligation to disclose relevant information even if an investigator has not directly asked about it. The standards are strict—one former FBI official estimated 20 to 30 bureau employees were dismissed annually for matters of candor.”

                        Staying silent would be also be a lack of candor.

                        What do you think the charge should have been?
                        Go back one page in the thread and look at the excerpt from the Horowitz report. McCabe made false statements to investigators. It wasn't simply a matter of staying silent or being less than forthcoming. He knowingly made positive statements that were false, so obviously the charge should have been the same thing that General Flynn was nailed with: lying to investigators. Except McCabe is too highly placed and would bring too many people -- and possibly whole departments -- down with him, so the DOJ is tiptoeing around him. Unfortunately for Flynn, he doesn't have the same influence, so he's getting hammered.
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          Go back one page in the thread and look at the excerpt from the Horowitz report. McCabe made false statements to investigators. It wasn't simply a matter of staying silent or being less than forthcoming. He knowingly made positive statements that were false, so obviously the charge should have been the same thing that General Flynn was nailed with: lying to investigators. Except McCabe is too highly placed and would bring too many people -- and possibly whole departments -- down with him, so the DOJ is tiptoeing around him. Unfortunately for Flynn, he doesn't have the same influence, so he's getting hammered.
                          Tiptoed around him? What a dummy. The DOJ went on for over two years and more than one Grand Jury, and were unable to bring a legitimate charge against McCabe. They only dropped the case because the Judge was fed up with their nonsense, and they knew it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JimLamebrain View Post
                            Tiptoed around him? What a dummy. The DOJ went on for over two years and more than one Grand Jury, and were unable to bring a legitimate charge against McCabe. They only dropped the case because the Judge was fed up with their nonsense, and they knew it.
                            Look at the Horowitz report, you ignorant boob. The DOJ had him dead to rights with irrefutable evidence that he lied under oath on three separate occasions, yet they never charged him. There's some monkey business going on inside the DOJ...

                            Why not indict McCabe on felony false-statements charges? That is the question being pressed by incensed Trump supporters. After all, the constitutional guarantee of equal justice under the law is supposed to mean that McCabe gets the same quality of justice afforded to the sad sacks pursued with unseemly zeal by McCabe’s FBI and Robert Mueller’s prosecutors. George Papadopoulos was convicted of making a trivial false statement about the date of a meeting. Roger Stone was convicted of obstruction long after the special counsel knew there was no Trump–Russia conspiracy, even though his meanderings did not impede the investigation in any meaningful way. And in the case of Michael Flynn’s false-statements conviction, as McCabe himself acknowledged to the House Intelligence Committee, even the agents who interviewed him did not believe he intentionally misled them.

                            I emphasize Flynn’s intent because purported lack of intent is McCabe’s principal defense, too. Even McCabe himself, to say nothing of his lawyers and his apologists in the anti-Trump network of bureaucrats-turned-pundits, cannot deny that he made false statements to FBI agents and the IG. Rather, they argue that the 21-year senior law-enforcement official did not mean to lie, that he was too distracted by his high-level responsibilities to focus on anything as mundane as a leak — even though he seemed pretty damned focused on the leak while he was orchestrating it.

                            The “he did not believe he intentionally misled them” defense is not just implausible; it proved unavailing on McCabe’s watch, at least in General Flynn’s case. Hence, McCabe has a back-up plan: To argue that it would be extraordinary — and thus unconstitutionally selective and retaliatory — for the Justice Department to prosecute a former official for false statements in a “mere” administrative inquiry (which the leak probe was), as opposed to a criminal investigation. Again, tell that to Flynn, with whom the FBI conducted a brace-style interview — at the White House, without his counsel present, and in blithe disregard of procedures for FBI interviews of the president’s staff — despite the absence of a sound investigative basis for doing so, and whom Mueller’s maulers squeezed into a guilty plea anyway.

                            It will be a while before we learn the whole story of why the Justice Department walked away from the McCabe case, if we ever do.

                            https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/...ccabe-charged/
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JimL View Post
                              After two years of nonsense by the DOJ, the case against Andrew McCabe has been closed. The Justice Dept after multiple tries could not get a Grand Jury to indict and, having no actual case, would not charge McCabe, but delayed and delayed and delayed until they realized the Judge was fed up with their delays and they opted to close the case rather than ask the Judge one more time for a delay. That is an example of the Trump Justice Departments inclination to punish his percieved enemies, innocent or not, and let his corrupt loyalists, those multiple cases that Atty Gen. Barr has been intervening in, off the hook. The rule of law has been breached and Atty Gen. Barr should be impeached immediately before any more damage to the Justice Dept. is done.

                              http://www.sandiegotribune.com/new/nation-world/story/2020-02-14/justice-dept-closes-case-against-ex-fbi-official-mccabe
                              So is lying, under oath, a crime or is it only a crime when Republicans are accused of it?
                              "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                              GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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