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  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    I think that they could find something at the very least shady or just extremely embarrassing if they were allowed to look at anybody like that. That's the purpose of a fishing expedition. Fortunately that isn't how our country works. Or isn't supposed to.
    Couldn't that excuse have been used by Nixon as regards the subpoena for the tapes? Do you really think Trump has done nothing suspicious enough to invoke the responsibility of congress to ensure he is not abusing his power? Congress has the responsibility to remove a sitting president engaging in illegal activities. Are they supposed to only act on that if they have proof of illegal activity first? If so, doesn't that mean that you are saying the congress should look the other way as regards suspicious activity until forced not to?

    Jim
    My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

    If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

    This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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    • Russian oligarch money, in the hands of the GOP, McConnell, who is working with Deripaska, Rusal, Kentucky plant …. and so on. Very malodorous stuff, as you would expect, from these ‘holier than thou’ Republican types.

      Trump’s campaign to win the presidency required money, as did the Kremlin’s campaign to help him. While these two campaigns aligned in their goal—Trump’s victory—overt monetary contributions from Russia would have drawn regulatory scrutiny, not to mention public ire. Any financial support from abroad, therefore, would have had to be creatively obscured.
      https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...ing-the-money/

      It's not personal business, it's the country's business to know who's money is corrupting your democracy, and why.

      Yes, its time to unobscure the obscurity.
      “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
      “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
      “not all there” - you know who you are

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      • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
        Congress has the responsibility to remove a sitting president engaging in illegal activities. Are they supposed to only act on that if they have proof of illegal activity first?
        Jim
        um... Yes?

        You need proof (well good evidence) before you can accuse someone of a crime and take action. It's how our justice system is set up.

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        • Originally posted by dirtfloor View Post
          Russian oligarch money, in the hands of the GOP, McConnell, who is working with Deripaska, Rusal, Kentucky plant …. and so on. Very malodorous stuff, as you would expect, from these ‘holier than thou’ Republican types.



          https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...ing-the-money/

          It's not personal business, it's the country's business to know who's money is corrupting your democracy, and why.

          Yes, its time to unobscure the obscurity.
          Deripaska... You mean the same Russian oligarch who is good friends with Dirty Cop Mueller?

          https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...ssian-oligarch
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            Find something criminal? Probably not. Find something personally or politically embarrassing? Perhaps, but is that sufficient justification for Congress to arbitrarily delve into someone's personal business?
            I understand the bit about personally embarrassing. That would not be a good reason to go after information. Honestly though, he has put so much out there that reeks of abuse of power that he's brought it on himself. Can I give an example? Yes - his refusal to divest himself from conflicts of interest like his hotel in Washington. A hotel that diplomats use owned by the president ... hmmm .... and it goes on and on. There are very good reasons things like that can not and should not be tolerated, and far more important reasons than optics. And by thumbing his nose at those sort of things, he invites scrutiny that otherwise might not be needed.

            Jim
            My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

            If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

            This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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            • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              um... Yes?

              You need proof (well good evidence) before you can accuse someone of a crime and take action. It's how our justice system is set up.
              When it comes to congressional oversight you don't need proof. You need a president acting in ways that indicate he is abusing his power. The three branches of government serve to keep each other in check. They have a large number of reasons to suspect he is out of line, and one of the functions of congress is to make sure he is not out of line. And if he is, it is their responsibility to take him out of office.

              Jim
              My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

              If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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              • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                I understand the bit about personally embarrassing. That would not be a good reason to go after information. Honestly though, he has put so much out there that reeks of abuse of power that he's brought it on himself. Can I give an example? Yes - his refusal to divest himself from conflicts of interest like his hotel in Washington. A hotel that diplomats use owned by the president ... hmmm .... and it goes on and on. There are very good reasons things like that can not and should not be tolerated, and far more important reasons than optics. And by thumbing his nose at those sort of things, he invites scrutiny that otherwise might not be needed.

                Jim
                As I've heard it said, it's not the billionaire who became a politician that I'm concerned about; it's the politicians who became millionaires while in office that we should be taking a closer look at!
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  Deripaska... You mean the same Russian oligarch who is good friends with Dirty Cop Mueller?

                  https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...ssian-oligarch
                  I have noticed, many times, that in Mountain Man’s world, nothing matters if it's not literally the worst thing happening.
                  “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                  “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                  “not all there” - you know who you are

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                  • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                    I have noticed, many times, that in Mountain Man’s world, nothing matters if it's not literally the worst thing happening.
                    Rule #1 Don't sweat the small stuff
                    Rule #2 It's all small stuff
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • Originally posted by dirtfloor View Post
                      I have noticed, many times, that in Mountain Man’s world, nothing matters if it's not literally the worst thing happening.
                      I assume this is your way of saying, "I had no idea Mueller was compromised! "
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                        I understand the bit about personally embarrassing. That would not be a good reason to go after information. Honestly though, he has put so much out there that reeks of abuse of power that he's brought it on himself. Can I give an example? Yes - his refusal to divest himself from conflicts of interest like his hotel in Washington. A hotel that diplomats use owned by the president ... hmmm .... and it goes on and on. There are very good reasons things like that can not and should not be tolerated, and far more important reasons than optics. And by thumbing his nose at those sort of things, he invites scrutiny that otherwise might not be needed.

                        Jim
                        Do you know if there has been a significant increase in diplomats using the hotel since Trump became POTUS or has it remained the same?

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                        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          Do you know if there has been a significant increase in diplomats using the hotel since Trump became POTUS or has it remained the same?
                          Pffft... you mean evidence suggesting probable cause to start an investigation? Please, this would be so much easier for everyone if we just assumed that Trump most be guilty of something, and we just to find out what!
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            ...that Trump most be guilty of something, and we just to find out what!
                            I always figured you to be a Rooskie plant.
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                            • I think Russia hacked my autocorrect.
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                              • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                                As I've heard it said, it's not the billionaire who became a politician that I'm concerned about; it's the politicians who became millionaires while in office that we should be taking a closer look at!
                                Nice Dodge.

                                Jim
                                My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                                If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                                This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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