Why put up with the Royals?

[KingsGambit]

Yeah it seems to me if anything represents rich white privilege and the 1%, it would be the Royal family.

Well, Meghan is black...

[Cow Poke]

Well, Meghan is black...

I had to read that twice... I thought, "where has she been?"

[seer]

Heaven is not on Earth.

If God's preferred mode of operation is monarchy, why shouldn't we follow His good example? Why would democracy be better than a monarchy even here on earth?

[seer]

Bhwahahahaha not with the Queen though! She's VERY private. I could see something like that afterwards, with Charles or William.

Charles maybe, not with William don't think. He seems rather sober minded.

[KingsGambit]

If God's preferred mode of operation is monarchy, why shouldn't we follow His good example? Why would democracy be better than a monarchy even here on earth?

That is a fallacy. Using that logic, we should avoid sex because the angels in heaven are asexual, yet God said be fruitful and multiply.

[seer]

That is a fallacy. Using that logic, we should avoid sex because the angels in heaven are asexual, yet God said be fruitful and multiply.

What makes you think God would prefer a democracy to a monarchy? In the Old Testament He instituted a system of Judges (with God Himself as Monarch) and later a human King. And why a fallacy? Since that is how God set up His universal rule?

[rogue06]

What makes you think God would prefer a democracy to a monarchy? In the Old Testament He instituted a system of Judges (with God Himself as Monarch) and later a human King. And why a fallacy? Since that is how God set up His universal rule?

I don't think that's what he said or implied. That said I believe that the OT makes it clear that God isn't a supporter of any form of earthly government.

[Cow Poke]

What makes you think God would prefer a democracy to a monarchy? In the Old Testament He instituted a system of Judges (with God Himself as Monarch) and later a human King. And why a fallacy? Since that is how God set up His universal rule?

Israel's demand for a king is an excellent example of "you may get what you want, but you may not want what you get".

[KingsGambit]

What makes you think God would prefer a democracy to a monarchy? In the Old Testament He instituted a system of Judges (with God Himself as Monarch) and later a human King. And why a fallacy? Since that is how God set up His universal rule?

I did not make the claim that God would prefer a democracy to a monarchy.

[seer]

Israel's demand for a king is an excellent example of "you may get what you want, but you may not want what you get".

It actually seems that God had earlier promised Israel a King:

https://knowingscripture.com/article...ing-1-samuel-8

[KingsGambit]

Some people on the libertarian side have used this to argue that God prefers no government, but I don't agree. Under the Old Covenant, God intended to directly intervene in affairs on a day-to-day basis (for example, the trial of bitter water expects such an intervention). Today, we are not promised any sort of micromanagement from God. So I don't see any contradiction between the story of the Israelites wanting a king and where the New Testament says that our leaders are appointed by God. My takeaway from that is that whatever form of government God has ordained, we should not try to overthrow it and start a new one (but that doesn't mean you can't vote incumbents out of office).

[seer]

My takeaway from that is that whatever form of government God has ordained, we should not try to overthrow it and start a new one (but that doesn't mean you can't vote incumbents out of office).

So you would disagree with the American revolution?

[KingsGambit]

So you would disagree with the American revolution?

Yes. Clear violation of Romans 13.

[DesertBerean]

I'm not sure it's that cut and dried. People risk their lives to defy government because of the government becoming dangerous to people.

During the first Bush administration (I think), there were proposed laws that would make the giving of water and food to illegals an act of treason. There was much outcry (and I agreed). One prominent Christian leader in my state declared illegals were humans and to deny them such staples was unChristian and he would go to jail rather than deny them. I hope I don't have to defy the govt in that manner ever.

[KingsGambit]

I'm not sure it's that cut and dried. People risk their lives to defy government because of the government becoming dangerous to people.

During the first Bush administration (I think), there were proposed laws that would make the giving of water and food to illegals an act of treason. There was much outcry (and I agreed). One prominent Christian leader in my state declared illegals were humans and to deny them such staples was unChristian and he would go to jail rather than deny them. I hope I don't have to defy the govt in that manner ever.

There's one person who was arrested this year and is facing 20 years in prison for that.

I think it is okay to break laws that require you to disobey Scripture, and this law requires you to disobey the Scripture about loving neighbor. Saving lives is okay.