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portrayalum, "parody" of the phone call with Zelensky that get me.
I'm always still in trouble again
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"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat's patently false. Had they admitted that Trump had committed CRIMES, they would be hard pressed to declare the "bad deeds" were not impeachable.
The question then is not whether the president did it, but whether the United States Senate or the American people should decide what to do about what he did. I believe that the Constitution provides that the people should make that decision in the presidential election that begins in Iowa on Monday.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostLamar Alexander:
Everyone heard the same evidence.
The facts are not disputed.
The law says whether these things are crimes or not.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostGood man!
From their own highly partisan perspectives, yes.
They most certainly are, or this thing would be over.
No, the law defines what crimes are.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostHave you noticed how Trump’s defenders have changed their tune as more and more details have come to light?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI haven't!
https://www.latimes.com/politics/sto...or-impeachment
The Bolton story is not even the final version.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostThere has been a considerable evolution of the pack of lies. Where have you been?
https://www.latimes.com/politics/sto...or-impeachment
The Bolton story is not even the final version.
Trump did bad stuff which, though "improper" (as Alexander said), is not impeachable.
The Democrats kinda sort proved the "improper" bad non-impeachable stuff.
Bolton, apparently, will provide ADDITIONAL proof of the "improper" bad non-impeachable stuff.
What's changed? Trump is forever impeached and will be forever acquitted.
The incredibly vindictive partisan Democrats of the House are free to impeach AGAIN.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIt's sort of like saying you're being charged with and prosecuted for "committing a crime" without the actual crime being listed.
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Originally posted by The Pendragon View PostSo what is your answer to the question?
If Biden was not running for President would it be alright for Trump to ask Ukraine to investigate what happen with Hunter Biden's deal and Joe Biden's extortion to stop the investigation (Because it does look bad)?
If your answer is "No" because the Biden's did nothing wrong and so could not be guilty of "Abuse of Power" then why was Trump impeached? was he impeached just because Joe Biden is running for President, name the laws that say that if you are running for president means you can't be investigated. What was 'Crossfire Hurricane' all about why did we spend 3 years on a report on what Trump did when he was running for President?
Investigations start because of "Probable Cause" The probable cause in the case of Biden is damning:- Joe Biden admitted to withholding aid from Ukraine if they did not with fire the Attorney General investigation the company that the New York Time just told him had his son on the board of directors. This is "Abuse of Powers" as defined by the Dems. and a conflict of interest on Biden's part. Looks Bad
- Hunter Biden is on the board of directors of a corrupt company with ZERO ability to do the job, but makes millions of dollars any way. In Hunter own words he admitted that it was probable because he was Joe Biden's son. Looks Corrupt on the surface
- After the AG is fire the new AG drops the case. Really look like "Obstrution of Justice" and when combined with #1 It looks like "Extortion"
- Several Agencies in the government including the State Department have said that the situation with Hunter Biden was problematic. Again looks very Bad for Biden
These are all give rise to "Probable Cause" for an investigation. Conflict of interest, Hunter being paid for a job he was wholly un-qualified for (Protection for a corrupt Company), Joe Biden getting the AG fired and stopping the investigation, All these lead to substantial Probable Cause for an investigation.
So it is my contention that Trump has every right (Probable Cause) look into the Biden's, even to ask Ukraine to look into it.
I asked you in my first post to give me the agency that investigated the Bidens if you where going to use the Biden was acquitted defense.
Well, What agency did the investigation to clear Biden?
Please don't use this answer again unless you are prepared to list agencies that investigated Biden.
If it ‘looks bad‘ then there’s nothing wrong with asking Zelensky to look into it but to withhold aid until they announce investigations publicly naming Biden is the problem. Where’s the public interest here?
I didn’t say Biden was acquitted, I said he was never investigated. If it’s so damning then why is there no investigation?
Start with ‘Withholding aid unless AG is removed’. If this was legitimately done then the rest doesn’t matter, you can only go to motives after first establishing improper conduct. So what was the aid? Did it have preconditions attached? When was it withheld and by who? Was reason for hold legitimate?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, but it still goes to "even if he did it, was it impeachable".
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOK, so what ya got is....
Trump did bad stuff which, though "improper" (as Alexander said), is not impeachable.
The Democrats kinda sort proved the "improper" bad non-impeachable stuff.
Bolton, apparently, will provide ADDITIONAL proof of the "improper" bad non-impeachable stuff.
What's changed? Trump is forever impeached and will be forever acquitted.
The incredibly vindictive partisan Democrats of the House are free to impeach AGAIN.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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And the Democrats acting like the children they've been acting like for 3 years decide we are going to reqeust admendements ot the rules to allow our witnesses after the vote was no on the witnesses. I feel sorry for the Rank and file of the Democrat Party to have leaders that are so childish.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostNo, Trump committed crimes -
just as a matter of fact, not opinion.
The defence said there were no crimes in the articles of impeachment,
but they were lying when they said that. In the end, they argued that POTUS can crime all he wants.
There are many correlates between Trump’s behaviour, and Nixon’s.
And many judges have been removed from office for much less.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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