Abrams calls for removal of Confederate faces off Stone Mountain

[Charles]

well if you can't show that you know what the actual discussion is about, then stay out of it. You don't even know what the topic is.

Changing subject again, Sparko? Avoiding every point by pointing to something beside the point and making "you don't know" claims instead of confronting the points?

[Bill the Cat]

Changing subject again, Sparko? Avoiding every point by pointing to something beside the point and making "you don't know" claims instead of confronting the points?

How is asking you to summarize the discussion avoiding a point? He's asking if you even know what the point is...

[Sparko]

Changing subject again, Sparko? Avoiding every point by pointing to something beside the point and making "you don't know" claims instead of confronting the points?

You are the one who keeps changing the subject. Please show that you even know what Roy and I are discussing or leave the discussion to us.

[Zymologist]

To be fair I was using the term interchangeably except when speaking about the WW2 Nazis as not being fascists.

Clarification of my last post:

So you think all white supremacists are [neo]Nazis? The Neo-Nazis are a specific group. White supremacists include [neo]Nazis and KKK but KKK are not the [neo]Nazis and All white supremacists are not [neo]Nazis. In fact if you want to get technical, [actual ww2] Nazis were not Fascists. Those were a specific group down in Italy in WW2 who were not even white supremacists.

Venn Diagram of what I am saying:

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Your substanceless replies show a continuing unwillingness to clarify your own position. For shame!

[Sparko]

Your substanceless replies show a continuing unwillingness to clarify your own position. For shame!

You fascist!*

* and by fascist, I mean Nazi. Or KKK, or White supremacist, or Republican. But definitely NOT Antifa. Nope. Nosiree. That would be wrong.

[Tassman]

We are not David Duke. Nice attempt at moving the goal posts. I was talking about twebbers, which you accused of being Nazi supporters just because we defended the constitution and at no time defended the Nazi views of the KKK or White supremacists.

TWebber’s such as MM and you support Trump and Trump is supported by the KKK and neo-Nazis. The latter was recognised by those on all sides of politics who distanced themselves from Trump over his moral equivalency stance, whilst the Twebber's continue to defend it. Interesting!

And regarding KKK thanking Trump? So what? How can Trump determine who supports him.

By playing to their prejudices! David Duke picked up on it and thanked Trump for it.

[Terraceth]

To be fair I was using the term interchangeably except when speaking about the WW2 Nazis as not being fascists.

Clarification of my last post:

So you think all white supremacists are [neo]Nazis? The Neo-Nazis are a specific group. White supremacists include [neo]Nazis and KKK but KKK are not the [neo]Nazis and All white supremacists are not [neo]Nazis. In fact if you want to get technical, [actual ww2] Nazis were not Fascists. Those were a specific group down in Italy in WW2 who were not even white supremacists.

Nah, the Nazis were fascists, or perhaps more accurately, a specific kind of fascism. The Nazis were fascists, but not all the fascists were Nazis.

[Roy]

Venn Diagram of what I am saying:

Thanks Sparko.

That's similar to my own understanding, except that I'd include another circle for 'fascists' as opposed to 'Fascists', i.e. those who uphold fascism but who weren't necessarily members of the Italian Fascist movement.* 'fascists' would include Fascists and WW2 Nazis, and overlap with white supremacists and neo-Nazis but maybe not the KKK.**

*Similar to not all communists being Communists, not all democrats being Democrats, not all greens being Greens etc etc etc.

**I don't know much about their stance on industry, assuming they have a consistent one.

[Roy]

Nah, the Nazis were fascists, or perhaps more accurately, a specific kind of fascism. The Nazis were fascists, but not all the fascists were Nazis.

Yup - effectively Nazism ≈ fascism + Aryan supremacy + anti-Semitism + eugenics + territorial expansion + pro-life.

[Sparko]

TWebber’s such as MM and you support Trump and Trump is supported by the KKK and neo-Nazis. The latter was recognised by those on all sides of politics who distanced themselves from Trump over his moral equivalency stance, whilst the Twebber's continue to defend it. Interesting!



By playing to their prejudices! David Duke picked up on it and thanked Trump for it.

One. I support Trump because he is our President. I don't particularly like him, although I do like how he upsets fools like you and Starlight and the other snowflakes. That is the main reason I voted for him, other than I would vote for a hyena over Hillary.

Two, just because the KKK likes Trump doesn't make Trump like them or support them. Like I said, many racist groups supported Hillary, like the Black Panthers, so does that make YOU or the other Hillary supporters racist black panthers? In fact, Hillary actually supported some racists and racist groups herself.

[ke7ejx]

TWebber’s such as MM and you support Trump and Trump is supported by the KKK and neo-Nazis. The latter was recognised by those on all sides of politics who distanced themselves from Trump over his moral equivalency stance, whilst the Twebber's continue to defend it. Interesting!



By playing to their prejudices! David Duke picked up on it and thanked Trump for it.

Let's see... I see one of your locations is Sydney. Given the fact that Australia was originally a penal colony does that make you a criminal? Should I worry for my safety and the safety of others because of your association with Sydney?

Please, Tassman... the whole guilt by association shtick is a fallacy and an asinine one at that. Trump as a politician has no control over his supporters' views and as Sparko has pointed out-Hillary isn't so squeaky clean on that score herself. Try picking something other than nits for a change.

[Sparko]

Thanks Sparko.

That's similar to my own understanding, except that I'd include another circle for 'fascists' as opposed to 'Fascists', i.e. those who uphold fascism but who weren't necessarily members of the Italian Fascist movement.* 'fascists' would include Fascists and WW2 Nazis, and overlap with white supremacists and neo-Nazis but maybe not the KKK.**

*Similar to not all communists being Communists, not all democrats being Democrats, not all greens being Greens etc etc etc.

**I don't know much about their stance on industry, assuming they have a consistent one.

This goes back to my original use of "fascist" and tassman's. It has become a pejorative to mean anyone who is against freedom and is authoritarian in their actions. Which the Antifa fits. Perhaps I should clarify: The Antifa behaves in the same manner as fascists even though they might not fit the exact definition or have the same political goals (dictatorship)

better?

[Sparko]

Yup - effectively Nazism ≈ fascism + Aryan supremacy + anti-Semitism + eugenics + territorial expansion + pro-life.

er what? Nazis were pro-life?

[Roy]

TWebber’s such as MM and you support Trump and Trump is supported by the KKK and neo-Nazis. The latter was recognised by those on all sides of politics who distanced themselves from Trump over his moral equivalency stance, whilst the Twebber's continue to defend it. Interesting!

Not necessarily. Sparko and Duke may be supporting Trump for completely different reasons, especially in a political climate where there are many policy options but only two candidates. And even if they both support Trump for the same reason, that doesn't mean either that that one reason is bad or that they have similar views on other matters. Sparko and Duke both preferring Trump over Clinton may have no more significance than Sparko and Duke both preferring bacon over sausages.

[Roy]

er what? Nazis were pro-life?

Yes. They banned abortion among Aryans. They imprisoned those who sought or performed one. Didn't you know?