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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThe "spitting you out of my mouth" is about lukewarm vs hot or cold - and is not connected to the "I never knew you" (not "you never knew me).
Yeah, you're a shining example of how others should be treated.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI used the quotes because I think they were both apropo to the discussion considering a christians stance on the kind of government they support, because the kind of government they support points to how they actually think, or care about the teachings of Jesus, in my opinion.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostBut ya got it all backwards.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIt is those supporting Trump, i.e. his conservative Christian base, who have "got it all backwards" when it comes to the "teachings of Jesus" in my opinion.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIt is those supporting Trump, i.e. his conservative Christian base, who have "got it all backwards" when it comes to the "teachings of Jesus" in my opinion.
One way to look at it is an almost literal deal with the devil. Certain long-held conservative political objectives are being satisfied, and they are not worried about the rest. At a deeper level you have to ask whether the bottom line here is religious or whether it is political. If it is political, it doesn’t matter what I have to say about why religion might lead them to a different place. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...754_story.html"Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI used the quotes because I think they were both apropo to the discussion considering a christians stance on the kind of government they support, because the kind of government they support points to how they actually think, or care about the teachings of Jesus, in my opinion.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostNope, I don't accept the premise that good personal policy necessarily makes for good government policy. I also don't want a secular government trying to enforce its own interpretation of scripture, and I can't imagine why all of you non-Christians think it's such a grand idea considering your low opinion of the Bible."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Chuckles View PostI am not hearing anyone support any government enforcing its own interpretation of scripture.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Charles View PostHere is how Buttigieg has expressed it:The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThen maybe non-Christiana should stop cynically quoting scripture in political debates.
I guess your use of the word "cynical" about those who point to the unfair treatment of other people follow along the line of your admitted strategy:
Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI want to respond to this: the point of insults used in this fashion is not necessarily o compel someone to listen to you but to publicly dishonor them so that other people will be dissuaded from listening to them. Let's put it this way: do you think Jesus' use of challenge/riposte was for the benefit of the Pharisees, or for their followers who were closely watching the debate?"Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYes, Christians should DEFINITELY get their explanation of Scripture from one who is living a lifestyle totally opposed by Scripture.
Here is your new chance: Show why what he says is wrong. If you cannot I am not interested in hearing more personal attacks.Last edited by Charles; 01-18-2020, 11:15 AM."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYes, Christians should DEFINITELY get their explanation of Scripture from one who is living a lifestyle totally opposed by Scripture.
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Chuckles View PostSo it is cynical to quote the Bible when the weak, the hungry and the stranger are treated in inhuman ways?
This is how I look at it:
It is good for a person to use his resources to help others, but it is not good for the government to forcibly take that person's resources to help others. As I've said before, good personal policy is not necessarily good government policy.
But go ahead and keep quoting from a book whose message you ultimately reject if you think it will manipulate me into suddenly agreeing with your politics.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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