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Originally posted by Starlight View PostGrabbing some basic numbers off the internet suggests the US consumes 3,911,000,000,000 kWh/year of electricity, and the average wind turbine outputs about 6 million kWh/year, so basic math says you'd need ~650 thousand average wind turbines. So the 4 million figure you suggest seems high by an order of magnitude.
Again grabbing some basic numbers off the internet suggests that a solar panel of 1 square meter in size set up in a reasonably sunny area will give about 1 kWh/day. That means about 11 thousand square kilometers or area would be needed = ~4200 square miles. Arizona is ~114,000 square miles, so you'd need to cover ~3.6% of Arizona's land area in average current technology solar panels to power the US's current energy needs. So Leonhard's image looks about right.
Well according to the chart posted above (see quote below), the current combined yearly output of all wind turbines is 84,000MWH and there are 56,000 wind turbines, so each one averages only 1.5MWH per year. So 3,911,000,000 MWH (your figure) would require 2,607,333,333 turbines. 2.6 BILLION wind turbines.
"In the United States, the direct land use for wind turbines comes in at three-quarters of an acre per megawatt of rated capacity. That is, a 2-megawatt wind turbine would require 1.5 acres of land."
http://www.ewea.org/wind-energy-basics/faq/
So assuming 1.5 acres per wind turbine just for simplicity sake, 3,910,999,999.5 acres. 6,110,937.5 Square miles.
Originally posted by seer View PostHey we are doing Ok...
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There are presently 56,000 wind turbines in the States.
https://www.awea.org/wind-101/basics...ts-at-a-glanceLast edited by Sparko; 02-11-2019, 10:08 AM.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWell according to the chart posted above (see quote below), the current combined yearly output of all wind turbines is 84,000MWH and there are 56,000 wind turbines, so each one averages only 1.5MWH per year. So 3,911,000,000 MWH (your figure) would require 2,607,333,333 turbines. 2.6 BILLION wind turbines.
"In the United States, the direct land use for wind turbines comes in at three-quarters of an acre per megawatt of rated capacity. That is, a 2-megawatt wind turbine would require 1.5 acres of land."
http://www.ewea.org/wind-energy-basics/faq/
So assuming 1.5 acres per wind turbine just for simplicity sake, 3,910,999,999.5 acres. 6,110,937.5 Square miles.That's what
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd you know this how? Because you're the smartest person on the planet? I got news for you, Star --- those smart pills they're feeding you are rabbit pellets.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostThat, of course, assumes a consistent output to meet demand and well, it doesn’t and battery technology isn’t quite at the level to store and release based on how the demand cycle works. Simply put, you can’t just buy a bunch of solar panels and turbines and call it good. It would require a total restructure of the US power grid. Have a few trillion sitting around, by chance?Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThe only "green" source with a fairly consistent output is hydroelectric; you might be able to balance that with solar power in some areas by storing up water in the daytime and releasing it through the turbines at night (which would wreak havoc on reservoirs where lakefront property owners depend on a fairly constant water level). Battery (and solar panel, IIRC) manufacturing generates an enormous amount of toxic waste. I've seen hypotheses for using gigantic underground flywheels to store energy, but I'm not sure how close to practicality they are.
And that is another problem with these sources: location. They only work in certain locations. Wind turbines need a steady supply of wind, which usually only happens near coast lines, solar power requires a lot of sun, which usually means the desert. Geothermal requires specific locations with some seismic activity, Hydroelectric needs rivers, etc. And as you said solar produces a lot of toxic waste. They and wind also seem detrimental to wild life.
The only thing that would not be dependent on the environment and location would be nuclear, which the liberals want to ban.
...Maybe if we can get fusion reactors to work and be efficient, and the liberals don't want to ban them.
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By far the most efficient source of power currently available are nuclear plants, but those aren't "green" enough for the environmental wackos who want to cover our landscape with unsightly and unhealthy wind turbines along with strip mining to get at the rare metals needed for fuel cells.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe news reported that Cortez wrote the FAQ herself. Not a staffer. She only pulled it after the mocking response it got. It was an FAQ, not a "draft" by the way.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostThe spin from the AOC camp is hilarious:
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Originally posted by seer View PostAnd world peace...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostThe spin from the AOC camp is hilarious:The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThe only "green" source with a fairly consistent output is hydroelectric; you might be able to balance that with solar power in some areas by storing up water in the daytime and releasing it through the turbines at night (which would wreak havoc on reservoirs where lakefront property owners depend on a fairly constant water level). Battery (and solar panel, IIRC) manufacturing generates an enormous amount of toxic waste. I've seen hypotheses for using gigantic underground flywheels to store energy, but I'm not sure how close to practicality they are.
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