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Even Atheists Think That Atheists Are More Immoral.
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostYou are assuming that those who never heard the Gospel would have repented if they did."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostAt least they could have. But anyway I find the idea of eternal pain morally disgusting, mostly for those who never had a chance but generally it is an absurd and sick idea in all cases. Are you sure you are fine with this idea, seer? I mean, you praise the God who created the reality in which this is happening? Is that really so beautiful?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by EvoUK View PostWhy is this thread in civics again..?"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by seer View PostCharles, what you consider absurd, disgusting or sick has no relevance since it is based on severely limited understanding and knowledge. God sees the big picture, and He will be what He always is - just and good. And since He is all knowing He knows who would repent and who wouldn't. Let me put it this way - everybody who sincerely wants God will find Him.
Does it really matter what the “big picture is? It’s a hell of a way to run the show.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by seer View PostCharles, what you consider absurd, disgusting or sick has no relevance since it is based on severely limited understanding and knowledge. God sees the big picture, and He will be what He always is - just and good. And since He is all knowing He knows who would repent and who wouldn't. Let me put it this way - everybody who sincerely wants God will find Him.
Seer, you have been given the ability to reflect and to consider. I think you are the one who is without excuse if you go for these ideas.Last edited by Charles; 08-12-2017, 03:32 AM."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostWhat you appeal to is the idea that I should give up any idea of justice when confronted with the idea of hell and accept an idea that some God who allows for more suffering than this world has ever seen (which is far more than enough to say the least) is just and good without further explanation. My position remains: If there is a good God this is the last thing he would want us to do, and hell is the last idea he would want us to ascribe to him.
Seer, you have been given the ability to reflect and to consider. I think you are the one who is without excuse if you go for these ideas.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View Post
Like we discussed in the past Charles there are different views of hell, that go back to the early Church. Even your buddy Kant believed that punishment after death was necessary to make sense of morality. But whatever that punishment turns out to be, whether eternal or temporal, I don't want to experience it.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostReward or punishment after death is not necessary to make sense of morality. The Pavlovian ‘carrot & stick’ approach might work well in training dogs, but for humans morality is its own reward. To say otherwise is to devalue morality.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo a Stalin murders millions and dies a good old age, and that is just, that makes sense of morality?“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostRewards and punishments for behaviour are productive when are socialising our children. But, threatening postmortem punishment to an atheist like Stalin is not going to stop his atrocities, just as an atheist who is good and kind is not going to be affected by the promise of a postmortem pie-in-the-sky reward. Virtue is its own reward.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostRight so your universe is basically unjust, if you can get away with it in this life you win! That makes a mockery of both justice and morality.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo tell me seer, is the only reason for your good moral behavior based upon your hoped for reward in the after life?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo a Stalin murders millions and dies a good old age, and that is just, that makes sense of morality?"Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostSo a non Christian dies and must suffer more than Stalins victims did all together?
And once that is done it starts over and over and over and over and over and over and over again and agian and again. Forever. Does that make sense of morality? I see why you need to point to the fact that we have a limited understanding of it. It certainly needs to be limited in order to allow for this.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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