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Originally posted by seanD View PostI question whether you're correct about the motives though. Yes, clearly the shooter is looking for widespread fame for a political view they hold, but is it necessarily to get his entire message in a manifesto out to mainstream, or is it to inspire other shooters in his social media niche who share the same message? I would argue the latter. I don't think the shooter really believes mainstream folks will look for his manifesto and read the entire thing, especially since most people will be repulsed by it. He probably believes the MSM will share general political viewpoints from the manifesto."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI don't think that's a charitable interpretation of the post. My original claim is that publicizing the manifesto makes future shootings more likely, and Sparko's point was that the manifesto was used to defend Trump against attacks. I think the argument that preventing more shootings outweighs having it available to defend Trump is a reasonable one.
The name is probably more important to him than the ideas - he likely wants attention on himself. The manifesto alone won't get him what he's after."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostDid you even read my post? I acknowledged that people who really want to find it really will (like my point with the Chiefs player address), but that the goal is stopping those who wouldn't necessarily be looking for it."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostIt's also a convenient, self-serving one.
The name is probably more important to him than the ideas - he likely wants attention on himself. The manifesto alone won't get him what he's after."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostUm, KG, he already made the point that once the guys looking for it find it, they will accelerate the dissemination.
Originally posted by Teallaura View PostIt's also a convenient, self-serving one.Last edited by KingsGambit; 08-07-2019, 05:19 PM."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostI see truth really doesn't matter to you as long as the lie makes Trump look worse...
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI disagree with this. There have been so many mass shootings that all the names seem to blend together at this point in time... unless there is something distinctive that makes people remember. One of the few names people remember is Elliot Rodger, because he had a distinctive manifesto about how he was unable to convince women to have sex with him."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostWhile I see the point you're making, it appears to me to just be the cart following the horse. Trying to stand out doesn't make the name recognition any the less the goal."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostYes, but ideas take off faster if aided by the mainstream media or prominent bloggers than they do if spread by some random guy living in his mom's basement. All I am doing is actively discouraging those with louder voices from using their megaphones.
And arguing that the manifesto needs to be out there in order to protect Trump's reputation isn't self serving?
I think Bill made a valid point but that could certainly be called into question. Obviously, you don't think so. So, the president's supporters (and sane people who just don't like lying) should just continue to allow the smears and false information so that somehow, a case that is already all over the mainstream news doesn't incite further violence? I mean, I actually agree with you conceptually - but this horse is half way to Missouri so I see little point closing the barn door now."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostBut the whole point is that name recognition isn't what it was in 1999 because these shootings are almost an everyday occurrence at this point in time."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostBut the whole point is that name recognition isn't what it was in 1999 because these shootings are almost an everyday occurrence at this point in time.
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All ox was doing in principle was agreeing with my original post. I thought I was making a reasonable point even if not everybody agrees. It's frustrating that you think it is dismissable by saying "TDS" as if no further interaction is needed."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostAll ox was doing in principle was agreeing with my original post. I thought I was making a reasonable point even if not everybody agrees. It's frustrating that you think it is dismissable by saying "TDS" as if no further interaction is needed."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostYou haven't argued with him lately, have you? He won't let go of that bone, no matter how irrational - so where you make reasonable points, even if I don't agree, he makes irrational attacks, first on Trump and then on anyone that even vaguely defends Trump. He brought the TDS thing on himself."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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