Joe Biden's #metoo moment

[seer]

Joe Biden: When a woman alleges sexual assault, presume she is telling the truth

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...Kef-1PL3rdBvYU

[rogue06]

Joe Biden: When a woman alleges sexual assault, presume she is telling the truth

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...Kef-1PL3rdBvYU

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[rogue06]

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[seanD]

She might very well be lying. But the fact remains, the left believed Ford without any corroboration or evidence, yet they are studiously IGNORING Reade when she actually claims to have evidence. Double standard.

Someone should comb that Kavanaugh thread that seer started months ago. I distinctly remember JimL and Tassman being two of the most ardent supporters of Ford. I would imagine there's some juicy hypocritical, double standard JimL posts in there to throw back at him.

[rogue06]

For one thing, Kavanaugh was up for confirmation to a lifetime position of Supreme Court Justice, so the confirmation process, investigation if you will, was necessitated.

And Biden might become president which is a far more powerful position than becoming one of nine members of SCOTUS

Ford had the same evidence as Reade, she told people of the incident years before reporting it

Bunk. She didn't say a word for decades and only "discovered" she had been supposedly assaulted after going to a psychiatrist in 2012 to find out why she is claustrophobic -- a psychiatrist who used the discredited technique of extracting "repressed memories."

she had detailed the incident including the names of witnesses to the event even though those witnesses were never interviewed by the FBI

Okay all that pot has played havoc on your memory in that this song and dance of yours was thoroughly debunked the last time you totted it out:

And you know there are no holes in her story, how? There were no witnesses. At least Ford had witnesses concerning the place and time, the house party, where both she and Kavanaugh were present as well as witness to her revealing the incident to her therapist years before publicly announcing it. We won't even discuss the witnesses that the FBI refused to investigate such as the friend of Kavanaugh who was in the room with them when the alleged event occured. If Ford was lying, she certainly wouldn't have identified a witness and put that witness in the room with them. But let her get an attorney, let her sue, I'm willing to listen, but from what I've heard so far, she has a story with no evidence whatsoever, so why bring it up now, at this particular time?

She what?

Put down that dang bong down jimmy. It has utterly ruined your memory.


NO, she did not have witnesses concerning the time. She could not remember the day of the week, month, season or even year of what she describes as the most traumatic event in her life.

NO, she did not have witnesses concerning the place. She couldn't remember where it took place.

NO, she did not have witnesses at all. Every single person she named said they didn't remember any such party as she described (supposedly a very small get together) -- and one of those was a close friend. None of them not only remembered such a party they don't remember her ever running down the stairs, through their midsts visibly upset. Again there were supposed to have been only a hand full of people even there so she would have been very hard to miss.

Nor does she remember how she got to the supposed party or whether she went with someone or went alone, nor how she managed to get back to her dorm or whatever at college.

Yeah, let's talk about the therapist. Ford claims that she told her that the attacker was Kavanaugh but the therapist's notes indicate that she never named anyone. The same notes demonstrate how Ford's story on how many attackers were in the room has changed radically. Ford told her there were four boys but that changed to two and finally just one.

And this leads us to Kavanaugh's classmate, Patrick "PJ" Smyth, who she maintained was in the room. Your claim that FBI never investigated him is false.

As to why she could be lying^[1], she never thought that her identity would be known. She was supposed to remain anonymous. Also politics could have motivated her as seen below

There are a number of other inconsistencies including her claiming at different times that Kavanaugh followed her upstairs and that Kavanaugh was already waiting upstairs and jumped her when she reached the top. Then there was her story about the reason a second door was built when her house was remodeled as well as her initially refusing to come to Washington to testify due to her supposed being terrified of flying when the record showed she was a frequent long-distance flyer.

Then there was her never telling anyone about being attacked -- not the authorities, not a school counselor or teacher she liked and trusted, not any classmates, not a bff, not a sibling or other close relative^[2] -- until after she "discovered" she had been attacked decades later. This leads to the fact that her own immediately family said they don't believe her.

And let us not forget that last year a video recording of Ford's lawyer, Debra Katz surfaced where she tells the audience at the University of Baltimore's Feminist Legal Theory Conference that that her client's decision to come forward was partly motivated by her desire to put "an asterisk next to" Kavanaugh’s name before "he takes a scalpel" to Roe v. Wade.

During the confirmation hearings both Ford and Katz repeatedly declared that she was motivated by nothing more than a sense of civic duty vigorously rebuking suggestions that she was politically motivated. That film tore a major hole in that claim.

There's more but this should suffice.




1. I should note that I'm not to sure she "lied" and that all of this could be a false memory created by her psychiatrist in 2012 who attempted to extract "repressed memories" (which commonly results in constructing false memories and why that technique is widely held in disrepute).

2. This is in sharp contrast to Biden's accuser who told several people at the time and who confirm it.

I should add that it has come out that she also coached one of her friends on how to pass an FBI polygraph test much like the one she took. Wait, actually not like it at all.

She used the politician's trick of not telling anyone beforehand so there would be no pressure on her caused by folks awaiting the outcome. Also, if she didn't pass she could simply ignore it and never bring it up. Someone taking an FBI polygraph test does not enjoy those luxuries -- but if she knew how to beat one of theirs, the secret one she arranged would be a walk in the park.

there was also corraborating evidence as to Kavanaughs behavior at that time, as well as to other similar alleged incidents by other accusers.

Shall we go over what those other accusers said and just how bizarre and incredible much of it was?

For a taste we have the woman claiming that Kavanaugh was part of a notorious gang rape group and was in charge of drugging the girl's drinks. She (and absolutely nobody else) was well aware of this and yet continued to go to parties that this group attended until she was finally gang raped herself

Reade on the other hand has only made the accusation

Corroborated by multiple people at the time including former neighbors.

I haven't seen her or heard her being interviewed but am aware of the fact that she has lied about her situation in DC in the past, both as to why she left that position, and as to the way Biden interacted with her. So I have reason to disbelieve her story now. That, along with the fact that Biden has been in the public eye for 50 years and there has never been any such accussation against him.

While some of the details of her story may have changed over the intervening decades (and she has witnesses to verify what she accused Biden of doing from the time of the alleged assault), in Ford's case virtually every detail changed -- often several times -- over the space of a couple weeks, or even days.

And yet Ford was in your opinion credible as you repeatedly have made clear. A quick sampling (I'm sure there's more):

Dr. Ford was telling the truth, and we know that, being an avid Trump supporter, you are easily led to believe otherwise. But besides that, Dr Ford was not the sole purpose of the hearing, the purpose of the hearing was to test Kavanaughs overall fitness to be confirmed to a lifetime seat on the highest court in the land. He flunked, and you are blind.

Being a drunk and a perv, sexually molesting girls and lying to Congress about it disqualifies his nomination for the Supreme Court.

Nobody that watched Fords testimony truly believes that she lied, even republican congressmen found her to be credible, though people like yourself say you believe her to be a liar because it suits your agenda.

There is a big difference, dopey. They both have a history, and there is nothing in Dr. Ford's history to suggest she is lying, there is plenty in Kavanaughs history to suggest that he is. Neither one of them is on trial criminally, something you Kavanaugh supporters don't seem to understand, it is a which of the two is more likely to be telling the truth hearing, and that turns out to be Dr. Ford.

And we fully realize why you would want to diminish Dr. Fords and others completely credible testimony, Kavanaughs lies and his inability to conduct himself civilly, commensurate with the temperment of a SC Justice, in a congressional hearing, but it shows the absolute corruption of your minds.

Btw, there have been at least eight women who have publicly stepped forward at the same time Reade did over a year ago. Are their accounts credible or outlandish as those as Kavanaugh's other "accusers"?

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Me Too Founder: Biden Could Show 'What It Looks Like To Be Both Accountable And Electable'

One of the founders of #MeToo has voiced her take... which, unsurprisingly, doesn't involve demanding the DNC drop Biden like a Hot Potato. Good to see Partisanship is alive and well in the ol' US of A.

[rogue06]

Me Too Founder: Biden Could Show 'What It Looks Like To Be Both Accountable And Electable'

One of the founders of #MeToo has voiced her take... which, unsurprisingly, doesn't involve demanding the DNC drop Biden like a Hot Potato. Good to see Partisanship is alive and well in the ol' US of A.

After being savaged for her obvious double standard, Alyssa Milano is now backing away from defending Biden.

So who thinks that the first reporter to ask Biden about it will get an enraged challenge to a push-up contest?

[Chaotic Void]

After being savaged for her obvious double standard, Alyssa Milano is now backing away from defending Biden.

Figured that would happen. Speaking of which, has anyone heard whether our favorite Smoked Salmon Socialist (Bernie) has backpedaled on his endorsement of Biden?

So who thinks that the first reporter to ask Biden about it will get an enraged challenge to a push-up contest?

Either that or he'll try and relive that time when he stared down CornPop.

[seanD]

After being savaged for her obvious double standard, Alyssa Milano is now backing away from defending Biden.

So who thinks that the first reporter to ask Biden about it will get an enraged challenge to a push-up contest?

I'm actually wondering who of the first top tier potential female candidate VP picks will be the first to publicly address it. So far they've been dead silent, other than Abrams who pretty much sold her soul (though I'm not sure how vocal she was about Kavanaugh).

[seer]

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[Mountain Man]

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[Sparko]

For one thing, Kavanaugh was up for confirmation to a lifetime position of Supreme Court Justice, so the confirmation process, investigation if you will, was necessitated.

so being the President, the most powerful leader in the world, doesn't require an in depth investigation?

Ford had the same evidence as Reade, she told people of the incident years before reporting it, she had detailed the incident including the names of witnesses to the event even though those witnesses were never interviewed by the FBI, there was also corraborating evidence as to Kavanaughs behavior at that time, as well as to other similar alleged incidents by other accusers. She was believable in her testimony in my opinion, and Kavanaugh was not. I wouldn't have convicted him in a court of law, but I believed her story over Kavanaughs defense and would not have confirmed him as a lifetime Judge, not for what he was alleged to have done by Ford, but because he showed himself in the process to be unfit for a lifetime position as a S C Justice.

Reade has witnesses that are corroborating her claims, Ford did not. In fact the people she said would corroborate her story flatly contradicted her.

[JimL]

so being the President, the most powerful leader in the world, doesn't require an in depth investigation?

Being that a president is elected, he/she doesn't require a Senate confirmation process, becoming a Supreme Court Judge does.

Reade has witnesses that are corroborating her claims, Ford did not. In fact the people she said would corroborate her story flatly contradicted her.

Sure, Ford had plenty of corroborating evidence as well, much more so than I've seen from Reade at this point, it's just that you conservatives don't seem to know what corroborating evidence is. It can be weak evidence or strong evidence, it isn't proof, which is why I wouldn't have convicted him criminally, even though I believe Fords claim. But Kavanaugh proved himself to be a liar, which itself is evidence against him, and in his own testimony, he proved himself to be unfit to sit on the Supreme Court for life which is why he shouldn't have been confirmed in my opinion..

[Mountain Man]

Ford had plenty of corroborating evidence...

[Mountain Man]

Did Nancy Pelosi really trot out the "It's just Joe being Joe" defense?

"There is a lot of excitement around the idea that women will be heard and listened to," she added. "There is also due process and the fact that Joe Biden is Joe Biden."

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...eade-question/