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  • #16
    Originally posted by simplicio View Post
    No masks available for hospitals, special deal was struck to secure face masks at the time Trump was championing the closing off commerce, the White House was successful in securing masks for itself.
    As the governors have made clear, it is primarily their responsibility to ensure that they have enough supplies, not the federal government. But is the state responsible for the mask supplies of private hospitals?
    Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by simplicio View Post
      I thought the relationship was more like the crazy uncle that you didn't want to admit you were related to.
      Australia is like NZ's Texas, or like the US from a Canadian pov. Bigger, richer, conservative, and backward.
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #18
        Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
        As the governors have made clear, it is primarily their responsibility to ensure that they have enough supplies, not the federal government. But is the state responsible for the mask supplies of private hospitals?
        Where on earth have you been for the last several weeks? "As the governors made clear......" It was Trump who insisted that materials they need was not the federal responsibility.

        Few of the hospitals in New York belong to the public sphere, they are all owned by some private entity. But their function is a public one, the public health.

        The one segment dominated by private enterprise is long term care, nursing homes. That segment of the health care system is also the most fragile. If we left that group to their own devices, it would be a calamity. It is also where the most souls are lost today; libertarian ideas will not work in this crisis.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          Australia is like NZ's Texas, or like the US from a Canadian pov. Bigger, richer, conservative, and backward.
          I did feel sorry for the Kiwi who made the news, he heard the mask and gloves were enough for grocery shopping, he was surprised to earn he needed clothes too.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
            What world are you living in? EVERYONE is looking to the US for guidance. Who do you think they are looking to? Jacinda Arden? Justin Trudeau? Xi Jinping?
            Trouble is, when they look at they roles Jared and Ivanka have, they break out in laughter. When they listen to our reality-TV-star-in-chief, they first are bewildered, then they start laughing.

            And when we next sign onto an international agreement, they will also wonder if the US is joking or being the joke.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by simplicio View Post
              Where on earth have you been for the last several weeks?
              Where has your brain been, simple one? Governors all claim state-federal distinction, state has jurisdiction over internal state affairs, which obviously includes state hospitals and supplies.
              Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                Trouble is, when they look at they roles Jared and Ivanka have, they break out in laughter.
                Who cares? They still look at us. No one is tuning in to see what Australia is doing. For better or worse, the US is the world's leader.

                When they listen to our reality-TV-star-in-chief, they first are bewildered, then they start laughing.
                And I'm sure the "filter" of the MSM doesn't flatter him either.


                And when we next sign onto an international agreement, they will also wonder if the US is joking or being the joke.
                Yeah, right. Yet, at the first sign of trouble, all eyes turn to the US. We lead. The rest of the world follows. That's the life of a superpower.
                That's what
                - She

                Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                  Who cares? They still look at us. No one is tuning in to see what Australia is doing. For better or worse, the US is the world's leader.

                  And I'm sure the "filter" of the MSM doesn't flatter him either.

                  Yeah, right. Yet, at the first sign of trouble, all eyes turn to the US. We lead. The rest of the world follows. That's the life of a superpower.
                  More likely they are tuning into what south Korea is doing, and what China is doing, as well as what supplies are available through China, who is creating a lot of goodwill across the world.

                  Not anymore. The US signed onto the IHR, then abandoned the agreement. The US burned through a lot of goodwill on this pandemic, goodwill that it will have a difficult time regaining it.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                    More likely they are tuning into what south Korea is doing, and what China is doing, as well as what supplies are available through China, who is creating a lot of goodwill across the world.
                    You're insane. China is to blame for this whole mess. They aren't creating good will.

                    Not anymore. The US signed onto the IHR, then abandoned the agreement.
                    Because the WHO, and Tedros in specific, is a stoolie for China. A top WHO doctor could not even bring himself to say whether Hong Kong was a sovereign island in an interview, and hung up on the reporter asking the question.

                    The US burned through a lot of goodwill on this pandemic, goodwill that it will have a difficult time regaining it.
                    It has nothing to do with "goodwill" and everything to do with power and influence. No one has to like us to still know that we butter the bread.
                    That's what
                    - She

                    Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                    - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                    I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                    - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                    • #25
                      Basically, liberals are desperate to convince themselves that everybody hates Trump as much as they do. It's rather silly.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                        You're insane. China is to blame for this whole mess. They aren't creating good will.

                        Because the WHO, and Tedros in specific, is a stoolie for China. A top WHO doctor could not even bring himself to say whether Hong Kong was a sovereign island in an interview, and hung up on the reporter asking the question.

                        It has nothing to do with "goodwill" and everything to do with power and influence. No one has to like us to still know that we butter the bread.
                        China made some bad decisions. And we made the same bad decisions. They are not to blame, people expect China to have been able to recognize the proper course of action early on: lock down and quarantine. In the US, we resisted the same policies, even after it is obvious what this epidemic can cost.

                        They are shipping medical supplies across the world, pointing out that the US intercepted exports and had them returned to the US. The symbolism is apparent to many in the developing world. The developing world depends on international agencies like the WHO, and the US is threatening to cut funding. There will likely be a second wave next year, if this follows the Spanish flu of a century ago. China is capitalizing on the fact that the US is not offering an alternative, rather withdrawing its support while China is ramping up its own foreign assistance in this new cold war between China and US.

                        We have weakened NATO and prodded the Europeans to pursue more foreign policy initiatives independent of the US. We have been threatening to withhold the butter, and countries are no longer seeing the US as committed to their welfare. In the past, we recognized that international response to epidemics was best battled on the front lines when and where the epidemic started. Ebola was one example. And WHO played a role.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                          You're insane. China is to blame for this whole mess. They aren't creating good will.



                          Because the WHO, and Tedros in specific, is a stoolie for China. A top WHO doctor could not even bring himself to say whether Hong Kong was a sovereign island in an interview, and hung up on the reporter asking the question.



                          It has nothing to do with "goodwill" and everything to do with power and influence. No one has to like us to still know that we butter the bread.
                          Who do you think is sending aid and supplies tight now to the third world countries? Hint: it’s not the US.

                          Like simplicio said, compare now to the actual leadership role the US played during the ebola crisis under Obama. Leadership in the global stage isn’t just some right that’s bestowed on the strongest nation.

                          Goodwill creates power and influence and China is taking this opportunity to fill the space created by the incompetence and weakness of the trump administration and the more the US alienated themselves the more power and influence they will lose to them.

                          Instead of complaining about China all day, this should be a call to action for the trump administration if remaining the global leader is something important to them.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            Basically, liberals are desperate to convince themselves that everybody hates Trump as much as they do. It's rather silly.
                            https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-in-10-charts/

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                            • #29
                              To me, this is the telling graph in your link:



                              Yikes!
                              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                To me, this is the telling graph in your link:



                                Yikes!
                                Europeans: confidence in Obama to do the right thing for the world!

                                Obama: starts wars that ends with Europe flooded with refugees and '''''''''''''refugees'''''''''''''''

                                Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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