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  • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    From what I understand the House conducts the investigation and if they find it has merit it goes to the Senate for the "trial"

    At this point, Trump does not want to give the House democrats the air of legitimacy by participating in the "investigation"
    He's not only not participating, he's obstructing the investigation in a way that an ordinary defendent doesn't even have the power to do. Besides, the fact of the matter is that he has no defense and he, and more importantly, his lawyers, know it. So, knowing him to be an unconvicted criminal, they are using all the powers of his office to defend their client. Btw, welcome back Sparko, you've been missed, I hope all is well with you.

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    • The House's hearings are more like a grand jury than a trial. They can pee and moan and toss dirt in the air and commiserate and have all the horsie poo they want without Trump -- the real trial doesn't begin until this circus folds its tents and hands things over to the Senate.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • Originally posted by JimL View Post
        Wrong CP, you're a confused old man who thinks his sources proved me false because you see only what you want to see. The President isn't showing up to defend himself, in an actual court he would have no choice but to show up, in a real court Trump would probably already be in custody and he'd be escorted into court. As President, he gets special treatment. Being an ex "law man" you'd think you'd understand the difference.
        Jim, that's only true of felony charges brought at arraignment and trial - you don't even have charges. Or, to the best of my knowledge, a subpoena. If the Judiciary committee wants the testimony, they know what to do - but they aren't doing it.

        No one is required to show up for an investigation - marsupial or otherwise. Only fools show up to keep the witch hunters from humiliating themselves - and Trump is simply proving he's no fool.

        Pelosi might be able to force this crap through (still dubious) but the Senate trial will destroy the Democrats for years to come - assuming they stay together.

        The Dems have only one way out - and their leftist base will eat them alive for it - find an excuse to drop it. Censure will only irritate the base and everyone else. Impeachment is suicide.

        Any way you look at it, the Dems will be having crow for Christmas...
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        • Originally posted by JimL View Post
          Wrong CP, you're a confused old man who thinks his sources proved me false because you see only what you want to see. The President isn't showing up to defend himself, in an actual court he would have no choice but to show up, in a real court Trump would probably already be in custody and he'd be escorted into court. As President, he gets special treatment. Being an ex "law man" you'd think you'd understand the difference.
          Oh the Irony here of someone who needs to invest in a monitor since the Mirror he is using does nothing for him.

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          • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
            Jim, that's only true of felony charges brought at arraignment and trial - you don't even have charges. Or, to the best of my knowledge, a subpoena. If the Judiciary committee wants the testimony, they know what to do - but they aren't doing it.

            No one is required to show up for an investigation - marsupial or otherwise. Only fools show up to keep the witch hunters from humiliating themselves - and Trump is simply proving he's no fool.

            Pelosi might be able to force this crap through (still dubious) but the Senate trial will destroy the Democrats for years to come - assuming they stay together.

            The Dems have only one way out - and their leftist base will eat them alive for it - find an excuse to drop it. Censure will only irritate the base and everyone else. Impeachment is suicide.

            Any way you look at it, the Dems will be having crow for Christmas...
            Sorry Tea, but you are apparently living in a parallel universe. The Dems will file articles, and the evidence is irrefutable and getting worse every day. The democrat leadership is beiing responsible whether it's in their best interests as a political party or not. You are correct about one thing though, the Dems have only one way to go and that way is the right way, i.e. to protect the constitution and hold the president responsible for trampling it whether the, so far unprincipled republicans in the Senate, care to do the same or not.

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            • Originally posted by JimL View Post
              Sorry Tea, but you are apparently living in a parallel universe. The Dems will file articles, and the evidence is irrefutable and getting worse every day. The democrat leadership is beiing responsible whether it's in their best interests as a political party or not. You are correct about one thing though, the Dems have only one way to go and that way is the right way, i.e. to protect the constitution and hold the president responsible for trampling it whether the, so far unprincipled republicans in the Senate, care to do the same or not.
              Go, Dems, Go!!!
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                Sorry Tea, but you are apparently living in a parallel universe. The Dems will file articles, and the evidence is irrefutable and getting worse every day. The democrat leadership is beiing responsible whether it's in their best interests as a political party or not. You are correct about one thing though, the Dems have only one way to go and that way is the right way, i.e. to protect the constitution and hold the president responsible for trampling it whether the, so far unprincipled republicans in the Senate, care to do the same or not.
                No, I'm not.
                Maybe.
                The evidence is next to nonexistent but I agree it's managing to get worse.
                The Dem leadership is insane.
                The Dems are undermining the constitution by the misuse of impeachment.
                The Republicans aren't the bad guys here.
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                • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                  No, I'm not.
                  Maybe.
                  The evidence is next to nonexistent but I agree it's managing to get worse.
                  The Dem leadership is insane.
                  The Dems are undermining the constitution by the misuse of impeachment.
                  The Republicans aren't the bad guys here.
                  Yep, like I said, a parallel universe.

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                  • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    Go, Dems, Go!!!
                    They intend to.

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                    • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                      They intend to.
                      At this point.

                      They're gonna put on a sleeper.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        At this point.

                        They're gonna put on a sleeper.
                        Well, no offense, but you've obviously slept through most of it anyway, CP.

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                        • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                          Well, no offense, but you've obviously slept through most of it anyway, CP.
                          Sure, Jim - whatever you say.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • Impeachment report is out. Investigation and obstruction ongoing. Next stage about to start. It’s police work that could have been done by the corrupt Barr, but wasn’t. Quite ironic as things turn out.
                            Last edited by firstfloor; 12-04-2019, 02:17 AM.
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                            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              I think they're criminal defense attorneys - maybe they only get criminal clients.
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                              • Treason or capitulation? This has gone well beyond disgraceful.
                                That some people here at Tweb go along with this stuff is mind boggling. I am at a loss to know what to do with you anymore!

                                Much of the Republican Party is pressing ahead with debunked claims about Ukraine as they defend President Trump from possible impeachment, embracing Russian-fueled conspiracy theories that seek to cast blame on Kyiv rather than Moscow for interference in the 2016 U.S. election.


                                The increasingly aggressive GOP efforts continued Tuesday on Capitol Hill and were amplified throughout conservative media, one day after House Republicans released a 123-page document that insisted that Trump’s handling of Ukraine was founded on “genuine and reasonable” suspicions — despite mounting evidence rejecting that assertion and warning of its consequences.


                                “I am not,” David Hale, the No. 3 official at the State Department, said Tuesday at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing, when asked whether he was aware of any evidence of Ukrainian interference in the U.S. presidential election.
Hale’s statement’s echoed last month’s testimony by Fiona Hill, a former White House adviser on Russia, who dismissed claims of Ukrainian interference as “a fictional narrative” spun by Russian intelligence.


                                Republicans’ promotion of Trump’s Ukraine conspiracy theory is the latest example of their capitulation to him and of the GOP’s rapid transformation on Russia — from a party that for decades celebrated its hawkish stance toward the Kremlin to one that is reluctant to take a hard line and risk Trump’s wrath.
                                WaPo
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