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Originally posted by Adrift View PostIs there discussion among the mods about having him curb the baby talk on the forum? It's pretty trolly behavior, and I believe CP mentioned a thread about it. I suppose I could just set him on ignore, but was just curious if you folks were doing anything about it.
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Originally posted by Seeker View Post
The logic is simple: if it is true it can't be self-contradictory. Or it is 1, or it is 3. 1 and 3 at the same time cannot be true.
(If you still don't get it, that was a reference to the Trinity).
https://www.icr.org/article/tri-universe
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYes there is a discussion going on. I am hoping demi will just stop it on his own accord. It's not like anyone is buying his fake "russian accent" here. It makes his posts nearly impossible to parse and makes him look like a moron.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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I rarely involve myself in apologetics discussions, and you will see why.
1) If we're reduced to invoking Henry Morris for support, we're in trouble.
2) Honestly -- and I'm saying this as a thoroughgoing Trinitarian -- I have never ever heard an analogy, metaphor, parable, whatever that made "logical" sense of either the Trinity or the Incarnation. I can easily see why a rationalist could never be convinced of the doctrine logically, and why such a person would forever remain an infidel, apart from supernatural intervention. (Of course, it would probably be fair to say that NO ONE becomes a believer apart from supernatural intervention.)Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostI rarely involve myself in apologetics discussions, and you will see why.
1) If we're reduced to invoking Henry Morris for support, we're in trouble.
2) Honestly -- and I'm saying this as a thoroughgoing Trinitarian -- I have never ever heard an analogy, metaphor, parable, whatever that made "logical" sense of either the Trinity or the Incarnation. I can easily see why a rationalist could never be convinced of the doctrine logically, and why such a person would forever remain an infidel, apart from supernatural intervention. (Of course, it would probably be fair to say that NO ONE becomes a believer apart from supernatural intervention.)The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostIs there discussion among the mods about having him curb the baby talk on the forum? It's pretty trolly behavior, and I believe CP mentioned a thread about it. I suppose I could just set him on ignore, but was just curious if you folks were doing anything about it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Seeker View PostI mean the claims are circular. What evidence from outside can be verified to validate the truth claims? And I am using the usual definition of truth from Philosophy. The only functional definition of truth is the correspondence between mental and supposedly factual contents; that is what I meant by ''truth is the relation between description and that which is described''."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Seeker View PostYou think my post is somehow representative of New Atheism ideas? How did you come to that conclusion?"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostDon't bother taking anything demi-conservative says seriously. He's only here to troll.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostI rarely involve myself in apologetics discussions, and you will see why.
1) If we're reduced to invoking Henry Morris for support, we're in trouble.
2) Honestly -- and I'm saying this as a thoroughgoing Trinitarian -- I have never ever heard an analogy, metaphor, parable, whatever that made "logical" sense of either the Trinity or the Incarnation. I can easily see why a rationalist could never be convinced of the doctrine logically, and why such a person would forever remain an infidel, apart from supernatural intervention. (Of course, it would probably be fair to say that NO ONE becomes a believer apart from supernatural intervention.)
I thought Morris's explanation was a place to start.
Seeker said: "Or it is 1, or it is 3. 1 and 3 at the same time cannot be true."
We don't know what seeker really means by his statement. Some people think the Trinity is three Gods; it doesn't. Some think "three persons" means three people; it doesn't.
Seeker needs to clarity what he thinks the concept of the Trinity is.
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostI don't like using analogies for the Trinity because they all seem to eventually fall apart. Some are horrible like water, steam and ice.
I thought Morris's explanation was a place to start.
Seeker said: "Or it is 1, or it is 3. 1 and 3 at the same time cannot be true."
We don't know what seeker really means by his statement. Some people think the Trinity is three Gods; it doesn't. Some think "three persons" means three people; it doesn't.
Seeker needs to clarity what he thinks the concept of the Trinity is.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostI rarely involve myself in apologetics discussions, and you will see why.
1) If we're reduced to invoking Henry Morris for support, we're in trouble.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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JP Holding's short e-book on the Trinity explains it in a way that even I can understand. (Though the obvious question is that if his interpretation is correct, why did the early church fathers have so much trouble understanding it?)"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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