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Originally posted by whag View PostThere’s actually a lot of evidence it wasn’t proper. Many people besides the whistleblower, like John Bolton, have expressed that view. Whether it was criminal is legitimately debatable. Even Anthony Napolitano thinks so.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat doesn't change the fact that this whole thing is incredibly political and partisan.
"Honoroably", of course, meaning agreeing with the Democrats. Same as "bipartisan" and "compromising".
The timing was probably accidental, but this is what Trump waded into. Katya was drenched in acid and died 4 months later.
Yovanovitch told the House impeachment inquiry on Friday that she was holding an event in honor of Kateryna Handziuk, an activist who died last year after being doused in sulfuric acid.
“We thought it was important that justice be done for Katya and others who fight corruption in Ukraine because it’s not kind of a table-top exercise there,” Yovanovitch said, adding that she was giving Handziuk’s father a “woman of courage” award at the event in his daughter’s honour.
It was at 10:00 p.m local time on April 24, however, in the middle of the event that Yovanovitch received a phone call from the State Department’s director general telling her to get on the next plane to Washington.
“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostOpinions are not evidence.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostThe timing was probably accidental, but this is what Trump waded into. Katya was drenched in acid and died 4 months later.
You never let a serious crisis go to waste. Rahm Emanuel
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI can't see how. There's no evidence that Trump's actions towards Ukraine ever rose to the level of improper, and certainly not criminal.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 11-18-2019, 04:47 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt was dumb. Was it illegal? Is it actually impeachable?
And, at the risk of somebody screaming "aboutism", was it "wrong" when Biden did it? Why is it that Biden doing essentially the same thing cannot be considered?
Doesn’t that put us in an endless regress?
The point is that POTUS could have investigated Biden without Ukraine and the appearance of impropriety.
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Originally posted by whag View Post“What aboutism” comes from our deep primal instinct for justice. “Johnny, no TV for you for eating a cookie before dinner!” “But what about Pete???”
DoesnÂ’t that put us in an endless regress?
The point is that POTUS could have investigated Biden without Ukraine and the appearance of impropriety.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostHolding up Congressionally allocated funds in an attempt to get Ukraine to dig up dirt on a political rival would be illegal and criminal.
Jim Jordan lays out the four facts that have never been contradicted:
1) We have the call transcript, there’s no discussion of linking aid to any investigation.
2) The two principals on the call, President Trump and President Zelenskyy, have both stated there was no linkage of any aid to Ukraine dependent on any investigation.
3) The Ukraine government had no idea that aid was being held-back pending confirmation of the stable intent -no corruption- within the new Ukraine administration.
4) President Zelenskyy didn’t announce, didn’t start, and didn’t acknowledge he was going to start any investigation to get the aid released; and it was released without contingencies.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ent-construct/
...not sure why they went with bribery as an alternate term...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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By the way, that comment about focus group testing is not a joke. The Democrats are actually doing it.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...achment-crime/Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostBy the way, that comment about focus group testing is not a joke. The Democrats are actually doing it.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...achment-crime/
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThis goes back to the panel of Democratic consultants I saw on TV (Bloomberg IIRC) saying that if it hadn't been for Schiff and how he has conducted himself there probably would have been a couple of Republicans (especially among those retiring and who dislike Trump) who would likely have joined the Democrats with the impeachment inquiry vote.
Trump is indeed blessed by the caliber of his opponents.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt was dumb.
Was it illegal?
Is it actually impeachable?
And, at the risk of somebody screaming "aboutism", was it "wrong" when Biden did it? Why is it that Biden doing essentially the same thing cannot be considered?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe above is what's called making excuses for what you know to be Trumps abuse of power.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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