Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ed Markey to unveil 'Green New Deal' bill

[Starlight]

From the U.S. Senate website under "Legislation, Laws, and Acts"

Joint resolutions are designated H.J. Res. or S.J. Res. and are followed by a number. Like a bill, a joint resolution requires the approval of both Chambers in identical form and the president’s signature to become law. There is no real difference between a joint resolution and a bill.

Please note the bolded part

Do you understand what the word "joint" means?

Can you work out from that what the difference between a "joint" resolution between both parts of congress and the president vs a "House" resolution is?

Can you read the bit above where "Joint resolutions are designated H.J. Res. or S.J. Res." and understand that the J initial there means "joint"?

Can you then look at the Green New Deal Resolution page and see it's "H.Res.109" and understand that it doesn't have the J initial in it because it's not a joint resolution, that it's just a House resolution?

Let me know which parts of this are too difficult for your brain to handle.

[rogue06]

Do you understand what the word "joint" means?

Can you work out from that what the difference between a "joint" resolution between both parts of congress and the president vs a "House" resolution is?

Can you read the bit above where "Joint resolutions are designated H.J. Res. or S.J. Res." and understand that the J initial there means "joint"?

Can you then look at the Green New Deal Resolution page and see it's "H.Res.109" and understand that it doesn't have the J initial in it because it's not a joint resolution, that it's just a House resolution?

Let me know which parts of this are too difficult for your brain to handle.

Which is now up for a vote in the Senate.

[Starlight]

Which is now up for a vote in the Senate.

For political reasons, McConnell is talking about introducing himself in the future the same resolution in the senate.

If he were to do so, that might change it into a "joint" resolution depending on the technicalities of how that works. Your assumption that it is currently a joint resolution remains wrong.


P.S. If you read further under your previous link you'll see something called a "concurrent resolution", which I guess is something it might become if both houses propose it. If you read even further, you'll see a section on "simple resolutions" which is what the GND currently is, as you can tell from the explanation that "Simple resolutions are designated H.Res. and S.Res., followed by a number" and the GND being H.Res.109. I note that your own link explains in detail the differences between a "Bill" vs various types of resolution. It explains what a simple resolution is:

A simple resolution addresses matters entirely within the prerogative of one house, such as revising the standing rules of one Chamber. Simple resolutions are also used to express the sentiments of a single house, such as offering condolences to the family of a deceased member of Congress, or it may give "advice" on foreign policy or other executive business. Simple resolutions do not require the approval of the other house nor the signature of the president, and they do not have the force of law.

[Cow Poke]

Do you understand what the word "joint" means?

One of those things you smoke before you post?

[lilpixieofterror]

For political reasons, McConnell is talking about introducing himself in the future the same resolution in the senate.

If he were to do so, that might change it into a "joint" resolution depending on the technicalities of how that works. Your assumption that it is currently a joint resolution remains wrong.


P.S. If you read further under your previous link you'll see something called a "concurrent resolution", which I guess is something it might become if both houses propose it. If you read even further, you'll see a section on "simple resolutions" which is what the GND currently is, as you can tell from the explanation that "Simple resolutions are designated H.Res. and S.Res., followed by a number" and the GND being H.Res.109. I note that your own link explains in detail the differences between a "Bill" vs various types of resolution. It explains what a simple resolution is:

A simple resolution addresses matters entirely within the prerogative of one house, such as revising the standing rules of one Chamber. Simple resolutions are also used to express the sentiments of a single house, such as offering condolences to the family of a deceased member of Congress, or it may give "advice" on foreign policy or other executive business. Simple resolutions do not require the approval of the other house nor the signature of the president, and they do not have the force of law.

It’s amusing watching liberals trying so hard to keep their plan on being voted on and coming up with a million excuses for why it shouldn’t be voted on.

[Mountain Man]

It’s amusing watching liberals trying so hard to keep their plan on being voted on and coming up with a million excuses for why it shouldn’t be voted on.

It's interesting that they're not trying the Obamacare trick of ramming it though before anybody has a chance to read it.

[lilpixieofterror]

It's interesting that they're not trying the Obamacare trick of ramming it though before anybody has a chance to read it.

Yeah but trying to gut the aircraft and automobile industry would likely hand the presidency, the senate, and possibility the house over to the Republicans in 2020.

[Tassman]

Watermelon environmentalism: Green on the outside, red on the inside.

The Red Menace all over again.

[Starlight]

The Red Menace all over again.

When they're wearing their red-tinted glasses, everything looks red to them.

[lilpixieofterror]

When they're wearing their red-tinted glasses, everything looks red to them.

A ‘proposal’ that:

- calls for government control of the energy and transportation sector.
- free education
- free healthcare
- guaranteed income

And a bunch of other stuff, which has zero to do with green energy, but sure contains lots of socialist ideology isn’t socialist at its core. Okay, whatever you want to tell everyone to make you feel better.

[Starlight]

A ‘proposal’ that:

- calls for government control of the energy and transportation sector.
- free education
- free healthcare
- guaranteed income

It doesn't do any of that.

I know conservatives on this site find reading comprehension really difficult, but the Resolution text is mostly bullet points and only a dozen pages or so, so even you should be able to read it.

[lilpixieofterror]

It doesn't do any of that.

I know conservatives on this site find reading comprehension really difficult, but the Resolution text is mostly bullet points and only a dozen pages or so, so even you should be able to read it.

Denial of the existence of the original FAQ will not make it go away, no matter how much you wish it will.

[Tassman]

When they're wearing their red-tinted glasses, everything looks red to them.

That's for sure. They need Commie hunters Joseph McCarthy and Roy Cohn back. To them everyone they didn’t agree with was Communist.

[oxmixmudd]

I disagree Jim, I believe leftists hate this country as founded. Remember Obama wanted to "fundamentally transform" this nation. Some liberals (as distinct from leftists) are, I believe, trying to do good. The leftists however are all about control, using what ever vehicle possible (like the environment or income inequality). And undermining our superior position in the world.

I disagree on the whole (to be sure there are some people on the left and on the right that don't like our country as founded). But most Americans like America. They recognize that despite it's faults, it is still one of the best countries in the world. We have more freedom, more wealth, more heart for the poor and destitute (as evidenced by how much we give) than most other places on this planet. But there are always things that can be better, and there are some things that are really bad. They want to help fix those things. They might be misguided about how to do it, but that is another matter.

Jim

[oxmixmudd]

What does government action to stop climate change have to do with 'human nature'?

This seems a bizarre tangent from left field. It has nothing to do with socialism and nothing to do with human nature.

Are you talking about a universal basic income? You realize that's not in the Resolution?

Most capitalist societies have social security programs for people without jobs. You're confusing how the ownership of businesses is structured (capitalism vs socialism vs communism) with social security programs that can be set to anything in any of those systems.

Source: CNN

What was entered as official legislative language on Capitol Hill declares the government should take a stronger position on everything from cutting carbon emissions to giving every American a job to working with family farmers to retrofitting every building in the country.

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That is essentially socialism starlight.

It's not all necessarily socialistic. But

Source: CNN

"guaranteeing a job with a family-sustaining wage, adequate family and medical leave, paid vacations, and retirement security to all people of the United States"

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If this isn't socialism, it's as close to it as you can get w/o being socialism. And honestly, I don't see how you could actually implement that without it being or becoming socialism. You can't force people to get hired by independent companies, so you have to provide jobs for these people. But where are you going to get the money to fund the endeavors that provide those jobs? By taxing whatever independent industry exists, redistributing their wealth to the people you are guaranteeing jobs too. But that will diminish the profitability of those industries, putting some of them out of business and creating more people to provide jobs for which requires more taxes until in the end you have socialism (or communism).

And even more directly:

Source: CNN

Public ownership
"providing and leveraging, in a way that ensures that the public receives appropriate ownership stakes and returns on investment, adequate capital (including through community grants, public banks, and other public financing), technical expertise, supporting policies, and other forms of assistance to communities, organizations, Federal, State, and local government agencies, and businesses working on the Green New Deal mobilization"

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'not socialism' ?!?!

Source: wikipedia

Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterized by social ownership and workers' self-management of the means of production as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.

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Jim