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A Reason Why a Democrat Presidency in 2020 is an Extremely Bad Idea
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostRemember? The Dems do it all the time! Remember Obamacare?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostSounds like the opponent had a terrible campaign manager - that one would have been easy and fun to counter.
The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostAmericans - not just Southerners - believed slavery was a perfectly moral institution. Doesn't make it right.
There is no rational argument for the fetus (literally 'young child') being anything other than a human child. So if they wanna believe the earth is flat - let 'em - as long as they aren't in charge of navigation. They are welcome to believe children aren't actually children - but that does NOT grant the right to slaughter human beings, period.
There was no 'twisting of the rules' - the Constitution does NOT specify a time frame and no Congress got around to creating one. The expectation is that the president serving will make the nomination - but the Constitution doesn't spell out what happens if the vacancy occurs a week before inauguration.
I think it was unfair given that there was time to complete the process. I am dubious that there was time if the Senate voted down a nominee to repeat the process - which seemed likely - but still, it could have been done with at least one. Regardless, it was a political move and, yeah, unfair. Not illegal, not even underhanded - just unfair.
So, you didn't get an at bat but there wasn't a rule that said you HAD to get it. Life stinks sometimes. But literally tens of millions of children may now have a future - so no, I'm not seeing the injustice here.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostOK, this has me curious. While I am aware both sides do rules twisting, how does Obamacare even begin to resemble the disingenuous rules twisting McConnell did?
Would you call that disingenuous?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostObama's was worse - he even broke his own rules. Remember all the promises of transparency, and that he "will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days."
Would you call that disingenuous?
Now one might ask how it would be possible for him to NOT know the legality of what he was promising. That is a different issue. For Obama, the issue was not a legal one, and I have no idea why he ultimately elected to not keep the campaign promise. In general, I think people should keep their promises. But I also think people should be up-front if they have made a promise they later decide was not in anyone's best interests and own the reason for their change. Obama never gave us a reason (which I deplore), and Trump blamed everyone else (instead of simply saying, "I made a promise without understanding the legal implications"), which I also deplore.
Again - neither of these things is anything like what McConnell did in 2016, which he clearly does not intend (according to him) to follow through on if it happens again in 2020. His track record is clear: honesty takes second place to "winning."The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostNo. While I don't applaud that choice, there is a difference between campaigning and governing.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOf course there is. Silly silly me.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostOK, this has me curious. While I am aware both sides do rules twisting, how does Obamacare even begin to resemble the disingenuous rules twisting McConnell did?
McConnell didn't twist or distort the rules - he defied convention but this ain't the UK. Neither 'broke' the rules - both were unfair."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostYou mean, like Obama, who campaigned about 416 times in 417 weeks while governing?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostNot the point, Teal. The point was the deceptiveness of the ad campaign itself and McConnell's "strategy," demonstrating that there is one objective to this man: win.
If you aren't bright enough to beat the bully when he's doing stupid things..."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThe grossly unfair ramming it down everyone's throat after promising to be 'cooperative' and try to be 'bipartisan' - just before saying 'but we won' part.
McConnell didn't twist or distort the rules - he defied convention but this ain't the UK. Neither 'broke' the rules - both were unfair.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSo clearly you won't object when the Dems do the same thing when they inevitably get the reins of power back in their hands...
I'm still not seeing the injustice - and the rules weren't 'twisted' - you can't twist rules that don't exist.
As for 'inevitably' I'd normally agree - but I'm unsure if the Democratic party will survive should Trump win in 2020, which [ WAY TOO EARLY in the game to call, I know!] it looks like he well might."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
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My Novella blog (Current Novella Begins on 7/25/14)
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostYou mean, like Obama, who campaigned about 416 times in 417 weeks while governing?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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