Noncompliance Kneecaps New Zealand's Gun Control Scheme

[Cow Poke]

Noncompliance Kneecaps New Zealand's Gun Control Scheme

The Kiwis are rebelling?

[KingsGambit]

This is Exhibit A in why mass gun confiscation simply isn't going to happen in the US. It didn't work there, where ownership rates are lower and the gun culture that exists in the US doesn't exist. Even if some future government tried it... good luck going anywhere with it.

[Sparko]

A good example of why we don't want gun registration in the USA.

Wow, 700 out of 1.5 Million? It's almost as if New Zealanders don't agree with their government or something.

Hopefully NZ will take notice of the mass objection and repeal their idiotic ban.

[rogue06]

A good example of why we don't want gun registration in the USA.

Wow, 700 out of 1.5 Million? It's almost as if New Zealanders don't agree with their government or something.

Hopefully NZ will take notice of the mass objection and repeal their idiotic ban.

I wonder how starlight is taking the news that his country is chock-full of crazed right-wing gun nuts.

[KingsGambit]

I wonder how starlight is taking the news that his country is chock-full of crazed right-wing gun nuts.

Not through surprise, I'm sure. If you're that far to the left, everybody is right wing.

[rogue06]

Not through surprise, I'm sure. If you're that far to the left, everybody is right wing.

Yeah when you call Joseph Stalin a right-winger and then double and triple down trying to defend it

[Cow Poke]

I wonder how starlight is taking the news that his country is chock-full of crazed right-wing gun nuts.

I posted this with him in mind.

[Sparko]

The article that the OP article refers to makes it sound like it is mostly a price issue, with people wanting more money for their guns.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/06/...n-control-law/

But I think it is more about not wanting to give up their guns at any price.

[mossrose]

The long gun registry was a multi-billion dollar fiasco here. Many people hid their guns and Stephen Harper did away with it when he became PM.

I am ignorant and indifferent as to whether NZ's proposed gun laws are with hand guns and long guns, or what. Hand guns were already banned in Canada before the long gun registry was put in to place, but it sure doesn't stop the criminals from getting them. I doubt it would work in other countries either, unless it is forced compliance by military measures.

[Raphael]

The article that the OP article refers to makes it sound like it is mostly a price issue, with people wanting more money for their guns.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/06/...n-control-law/

But I think it is more about not wanting to give up their guns at any price.

It is partly a price issue, and partly people reacting to a badly thought out knee jerk law.

The price side of things this post covers it:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...96090850405334

[Zara]

This is Exhibit A in why mass gun confiscation simply isn't going to happen in the US. It didn't work there, where ownership rates are lower and the gun culture that exists in the US doesn't exist. Even if some future government tried it... good luck going anywhere with it.

It's not necessarily about getting all unlawful guns (although that would be ideal), it's about making it very hard to get the type of guns that can result in a mass shooting like in Christchurch. Australia passed similar laws two decades ago, which have been successful, and today the number of mass shootings is almost non-existent, and usually family related when it does happen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_la...s_in_Australia

The terrorist probably came to NZ because of easy access to firearms. Which is something the government, with the support of most of the populace, has endeavored to change. If Australia is anything to go by, it will be largely successful, particularly if good law abiding conservative people, do not break the law.

[Mountain Man]

IAustralia passed similar laws two decades ago, which have been successful, and today the number of mass shootings is almost non-existent, and usually family related when it does happen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_la...s_in_Australia.

Australia is an interesting one, because while the number of mass shootings decreased following the buyback, the number of mass killings didn't. It's just the perpetrators used different weapons from arson to vehicles to knives. Also, rates of violent crime and suicide have actually increased in the following decades.

So while they were able to put a big crimp in gun related crimes, the buyback did pretty much nothing to improve overall peace and safety.

https://thefederalist.com/2015/09/03...n-ban-conceit/

[Zara]

Australia is an interesting one, because while the number of mass shootings decreased following the buyback, the number of mass killings didn't. It's just the perpetrators used different weapons from arson to vehicles to knives. Also, rates of violent crime and suicide have actually increased in the following decades.

So while they were able to put a big crimp in gun related crimes, the buyback did pretty much nothing to improve overall peace and safety.

https://thefederalist.com/2015/09/03...n-ban-conceit/

If it makes terrorist attacks like the one in Christchurch sufficiently difficult, then the law is successful. It is likely that the terrorist came to NZ because of its gun laws - Australia exporting its filth. In the future, this is less likely. I do not see that as a loss. People can still go hunting, defend themselves and generally play with firearms - just not military stye guns. I personally don't have a problem with that.

[QuantaFille]

If it makes terrorist attacks like the one in Christchurch sufficiently difficult, then the law is successful. It is likely that the terrorist came to NZ because of its gun laws - Australia exporting its filth. In the future, this is less likely. I do not see that as a loss. People can still go hunting, defend themselves and generally play with firearms - just not military stye guns. I personally don't have a problem with that.

So, are you ok with terrorists using, say, bombs instead of guns? If they want to kill a lot of people at once, and they can't get guns, do you think they'll just give up?

[Zara]

So, are you ok with terrorists using, say, bombs instead of guns? If they want to kill a lot of people at once, and they can't get guns, do you think they'll just give up?

They can't get bombs, either. A considerable amount of bomb making material is illegal, also. Or tanks, I wouldn't be ok with tanks either. I'm not ok with any type of weapon, obviously. Do I like it that I have to go through security to get on a plane, not really, however, if it means that they don't have access to planes, then fine.