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Schiff Targets Political Rival, Journalist
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"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIf, as it appears, Schiff and/or his staff coached Ciaramella this should be a question even you shouldn't have to ask.
Oh, and it looks like Schiff lied about all of this. A lot. The Wall Street Journal actually did a wee bit of investigation rather than mindlessly repeating Schiff's claims like the rest of the MSM and and found some incredibly serious "errors."
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIf he didn't then how exactly did he manage to quote from it before it was filed?
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by JimL View PostCoached him to what, to report it to the IG?
Stop dodging. Prove it."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by JimL View PostProve what, Tea?
Sheesh, Sam even tried to help you."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
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Originally posted by Sam View Post"told the investigators and later testified to"
To my knowledge, the content of the whistleblower's discussion with the ICIG has never been released so you would need to provide a source.
[somehow I managed to omit the following]
He did it throughout his circus. Here is just one example of what he leaked about what David Holmes gave in a deposition that hadn't been released being reported during a Face the Nation interview.Last edited by rogue06; 12-07-2019, 05:30 AM.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Please note that Ciaramella's lawyer was careful not to deny that Ciaramella had spoke to Schiff's staff.
As an aside it should also be noted that Schiff himself provided the first indication that he and/or his office had coordinated things with Ciaramella by stupidly tweeting about his complaint before the IG ever mentioned the existence of it. Worse, it contained details concerning what Ciaramella claimed. Details you could only know if you had talked about the case.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostSchiff himself. He loves to leak whatever he thinks is damaging.
[somehow I managed to omit the following]
He did it throughout his circus. Here is just one example of what he leaked about what David Holmes gave in a deposition that hadn't been released being reported during a Face the Nation interview.
I get that it's somewhat futile to ask the conspiracy-minded to provide source material that actually supports one's claims but it's a skill you need to re-learn.
Your linked tweet is dated November 17, 2019 where Collins, Jordan, and you claim that the details about David Holmes testimony were public knowledge because his closed-door testimony had been leaked. But Holmes had already released his opening statement to the committee on November 15. Moreover, the committee didn't subpoena Holmes until reporting was published that Holmes had overheard Sondland talking to Trump in Kiev.
The lesson should have been clear long ago but, if not: if you find yourself relying on Collins or Jordan for your information, reexamine your life choices or at least reconsider your career in public debate.
As to Schiff's Twitter account, the first time he mentions matters related to the Ukraine scandal is August 23, responding to public reporting, then again on August 28, again responding to public reporting. Neither contains information that was contained in the whistleblower complaint but absent from that public reporting. It's not debated among anyone that the whistleblower approached HPSCI staff after approaching CIA counsel and seeing a criminal referral quashed. Nor would it be illegal for the whistleblower to provide staff with non-classified information about his or her concern. The proper thing for HPSCI staff to do would be to direct the whistleblower to ICIG and await the report that was lawfully required to be sent to Congress. It would not be illegal or at all untoward for the chairman of HPSCI to start making noise when the law was not followed. That, however, is not evidence that Schiff personally met with the whistleblower or that his staff helped coordinate with the whistleblower to craft the complaint, whose contents have, regardless, been substantiated by numerous fact witnesses.
That's all three times now you've responded here with claims that aren't just merely incorrect in interpretation but are, in fact, wholesale invented. Isn't there some element of shame in all of this wild-eyed accusation so far removed from fact or care? Or are most folks around here truly past that?
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostSheesh, Sam even tried to help you."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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And why in Walter Cronkite are you linking to Epoch Times?! This is definitely basic and agreed-upon information that can be sourced to a reputable news outlet.
Are you ... regularly reading Epoch Times or was that some tragic Google-search mistake?
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
Please note that Ciaramella's lawyer was careful not to deny that Ciaramella had spoke to Schiff's staff.
As an aside it should also be noted that Schiff himself provided the first indication that he and/or his office had coordinated things with Ciaramella by stupidly tweeting about his complaint before the IG ever mentioned the existence of it. Worse, it contained details concerning what Ciaramella claimed. Details you could only know if you had talked about the case."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Funny that you hone in Schiff's first mention of the case and ignore the others. Gotta cherry pick to keep the narrative alive I guess
The fact that Schiff had and leaked details that were not in Ciaramella's complaint to the IG (which hadn't even been released yet) confirms that they had coordinated and why the New York Times was reporting that, at the very least, Schiff had "learned about the outlines" about what he was saying.
Schiff was the source of the leaks concerning what (at least according to Schiff) Ciaramella claimed, not just in the complaint but in his testimony.Last edited by rogue06; 12-07-2019, 06:32 AM.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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