Trump encouraged China to build concentration camps

[Cow Poke]

What's not so shocking is that not a single Republican Christian will stand up and agree that encouraging the CCP to build concentration camps is a *bad thing* for the leader of the free world to do. You'd rather spend your time on some vain hope that the book never sees the light of day than deal with the ugly truth it contains.

Pathetic. And *I'm* the reprobate!

Well, I'm not a Republican Christian, but if Trump did this, it's a *bad thing*. Can I be a for-really Christian now?

And, isn't Bolton the same guy the media HATED in the run-up to the Gulf War? Now they're in love with him?

[DivineOb]

And then apparently, Trump asked Xi to help him win reelection. He's like a stuck record. Unfortunately its stuck on treason.

Republicans can't win without cheating. You won't find a single Republican politician of note (with the likely exception of Mittens) condemning Trump for that. Not even the ones from regions which were directly devastated by the trade war.

[DivineOb]

Well, I'm not a Republican Christian, but if Trump did this, it's a *bad thing*. Can I be a for-really Christian now?

You know in your heart what you believe.

And, isn't Bolton the same guy the media HATED in the run-up to the Gulf War?

I don't think you will find too many fans of Bolton at this point. He could have testified during impeachment and elected not to. I intend to do my part to "assist" people in accessing his book for free.

[Starlight]

And, isn't Bolton the same guy the media HATED in the run-up to the Gulf War? Now they're in love with him?

If by 'in love with him' you mean loathing him in extreme language (to the point where I can't link the headlines here due to this board's restrictions on language use) for failing to testify in the impeachment inquiry and instead saving his testimony for a money-making book, then yes. They start at "John Bolton's betrayed his country" and get less complimentary from there.

[Cow Poke]

You know in your heart what you believe.

Usually.

I don't think you will find too many fans of Bolton at this point.

I kinda liked him back in the day.

He could have testified during impeachment and elected not to. I intend to do my part to "assist" people in accessing his book for free.

Cool.

[MaxVel]

What's not so shocking is that not a single Republican Christian will stand up and agree that encouraging the CCP to build concentration camps is a *bad thing* for the leader of the free world to do. You'd rather spend your time on some vain hope that the book never sees the light of day than deal with the ugly truth it contains.

Pathetic. And *I'm* the reprobate!

You're just assuming your assertion as true, and then whining like a baby about how bad it is that everyone doesn't condemn it.

For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

Look everyone! DivineOb eats roadkill, and he doesn't even cook it first! Fox News says it's all in a book (that may never be published) written by Alex Jones.

How come all you liberals don't condemn DivineOb for such unhealthy practices?

[DivineOb]

You're just assuming your assertion as true, and then whining like a baby about how bad it is that everyone doesn't condemn it.

It's not *my* position. It's what Bolton wrote in his book.

For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

Look everyone! DivineOb eats roadkill, and he doesn't even cook it first! Fox News says it's all in a book (that may never be published) written by Alex Jones.

Wait, hold on. It's your position that the NYT is *making up* that it appears in Bolton's book? Hahaha... holy gee.

How come all you liberals don't condemn DivineOb for such unhealthy practices?

I thought you were supposed to be one of the smarter ones.

Anyway, like I said, pathetic that everyone wants to argue about this or that instead of agreeing that concentration camps are bad! CP has at least affirmed this extremely modest proposal.

ETA: The Washington Post is also confirming this reporting.

[DesertBerean]

Why are you so anxious that everybody confirm concentration camps are bad?

Fine...concentration camps are bad! Horrible!

Can we include labor camps too? Internment as well?

[MaxVel]

It's not *my* position. It's what Bolton wrote in his book.

And it's your assumption that what Bolton wrote was true and a correct representation of Trump's interaction with Xi.

Wait, hold on. It's your position that the NYT is *making up* that it appears in Bolton's book? Hahaha... holy gee.



I thought you were supposed to be one of the smarter ones.

Smarter than you, evidently.

Anyway, like I said, pathetic that everyone wants to argue about this or that instead of agreeing that concentration camps are bad! CP has at least affirmed this extremely modest proposal.

ETA: The Washington Post is also confirming this reporting.

Well that makes what Bolton claims indisuputably true, then. The NYT, and the WaPo. Who's next, CNN?


No-one is rushing onto the anti-Trump bandwagon with credulous little DivineOb, because we're waiting to see if what Bolton apparently claims is true or not. You're just doing a typical point-and-shriek tactic, and attemtping to manipulate people into condemning something which we don't even know happened.

Since you're evidently feeling less than intelligent today, I'll spell it out.

In your OP, you presented a reported claim by Bolton - who is trying to sell his book, and who apparently dislikes Trump - that an interpreter told him that Trump said something objectionable. That's not exactly strong evidence that it actually happened the way Bolton claims. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't.

But that doesn't matter to you - you expect us all to join you in condemning something that we don't even know happened. If we can know that Trump told Xi to go ahead with concentration camps, I'll condemn that.


If it was reported that in his book, Bolton claimed that even though he disliked Trump personally, he was a very effective negotiator on America's behalf, what would you be posting? Nothing, and if someone else brought it up, you would be doing everything to discredit Bolton as an authority. IOW, I don't find you to be a credible or objective analyst.


Nice job, DivineOb.

[DivineOb]

And it's your assumption that what Bolton wrote was true and a correct representation of Trump's interaction with Xi.

You can be certain that his publisher vetted his claims. Bolton is known as a prodigious note taker and doubtless his claims in the book were backed up by contemporaneous notes which long predate Trump and his falling out.

Well that makes what Bolton claims indisuputably true, then. The NYT, and the WaPo. Who's next, CNN?

It makes it a certainty that those claims appear in Bolton's book, yes.

No-one is rushing onto the anti-Trump bandwagon with credulous little DivineOb, because we're waiting to see if what Bolton apparently claims is true or not. You're just doing a typical point-and-shriek tactic, and attemtping to manipulate people into condemning something which we don't even know happened.

Since you're evidently feeling less than intelligent today, I'll spell it out.

In your OP, you presented a reported claim by Bolton - who is trying to sell his book, and who apparently dislikes Trump - that an interpreter told him that Trump said something objectionable. That's not exactly strong evidence that it actually happened the way Bolton claims. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't.

But that doesn't matter to you - you expect us all to join you in condemning something that we don't even know happened. If we can know that Trump told Xi to go ahead with concentration camps, I'll condemn that.

Bolton is opening himself up for lawsuits both from Trump and his publisher by passing off enormous claims like this if they turn out to be lies. The damage to Simon and Schuster's reputation would be immense and border on incalculable.

You need a story which is not just possible but also minimally plausible.

But while I have you here, you'd agree that it would be very bad -- unforgivable even -- if this story turns out to be true, right?

If it was reported that in his book, Bolton claimed that even though he disliked Trump personally, he was a very effective negotiator on America's behalf, what would you be posting? Nothing, and if someone else brought it up, you would be doing everything to discredit Bolton as an authority. IOW, I don't find you to be a credible or objective analyst.

I would investigate the claims. That Trump has been a uniquely poor negotiator with China is beyond dispute. That Trump has been a unique poor steward of America's good name among friend and foe alike is beyond dispute. That Trump has been a unique poor representative of his ostensible political party is beyond dispute. But if there is another area of even less import where Trump has handled himself with even amateurish capability then I would concede that Bolton has a valid point, as tangential as it might be.

That Bolton has no credibility as a patriot is too beyond dispute after failing to stand up in this country's hour of need. That doesn't mean he has no credibility in reporting events which took place, particularly when he is wagering all of his family's wealth on his claims being true.

And since you've clearly bested me in this exchange, clarify one point. How can Trump claim Bolton's book contains classified information if that information is false?

Nice job, DivineOb.

I thought so, asshat :D.

[MaxVel]

You can be certain that his publisher vetted his claims. Bolton is known as a prodigious note taker and doubtless his claims in the book were backed up by contemporaneous notes which long predate Trump and his falling out.



It makes it a certainty that those claims appear in Bolton's book, yes.

Red herring. You've been implying that it makes the claims true.

Bolton is opening himself up for lawsuits both from Trump and his publisher by passing off enormous claims like this if they turn out to be lies. The damage to Simon and Schuster's reputation would be immense and border on incalculable.

You need a story which is not just possible but also minimally plausible.

But while I have you here, you'd agree that it would be very bad -- unforgivable even -- if this story turns out to be true, right?

I would investigate the claims. That Trump has been a uniquely poor negotiator with China is beyond dispute. That Trump has been a unique poor steward of America's good name among friend and foe alike is beyond dispute. That Trump has been a unique poor representative of his ostensible political party is beyond dispute. But if there is another area of even less import where Trump has handled himself with even amateurish capability then I would concede that Bolton has a valid point, as tangential as it might be.

That Bolton has no credibility as a patriot is too beyond dispute after failing to stand up in this country's hour of need. That doesn't mean he has no credibility in reporting events which took place, particularly when he is wagering all of his family's wealth on his claims being true.

Debatable. We don't have actual full quotes from the book, just 'Bolton claims that the interpreter said that Trump said...X'. Presumably that means that Bolton himself didn't hear what Trump said - unless Bolton can't speak English. So he's reporting what someone else - so far unnamed - said Trump said. IOW hearsay from an unnamed source. Which is why I'm suspending judgment.

That might also give him sufficient room for a defense: 'I never said it was true, just reporting what the interpreter said to me.'

And since you've clearly bested me in this exchange, clarify one point. How can Trump claim Bolton's book contains classified information if that information is false?

(1) The claim might be that the book reveals information that can damage or reveal the sources.

(2) AFAIK the claim is that the book has not been cleared under national security parameters, as Bolton agreed to.

(3) Is Bolton's book this short? Is this the only point in the whole book?

I thought so, asshat :D.

Stay classy, my friend.

[Mountain Man]

The summary I saw is that Trump is misusing this to try to suppress Bolton's book indefinitely.

That's a moron's summary. Vetting a "tell all" book from a government official is standard procedure. If Bolton refuses to comply then that's his problem.

[JimL]

One of the many horrors revealed by Bolton's upcoming book is Trump encouraging China to build concentration camps to house ethnic minorities.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...injiang-2020-6

In a private meeting during the 2019 G20 meeting in Japan, Trump and Xi were accompanied only by their interpreters, according to Bolton's book, parts of which were published in The Wall Street Journal on Wednesday.

Xi "explained to Trump why he was basically building concentration camps in Xinjiang," Bolton wrote, citing the interpreter's account. The interpreter added that "Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do," according to the book.

Nice job Republicans.

Bolton accused democrats of impeachment malpractice because there were so many other things that Trump should also have been be impeached for, such as putting his political interests above the interests of the country such as a quid pro quo offer to China with respect to beneficial trade deals in exchange for helping him in the election. He pleaded with Xi to ensure he win the election, said Bolton. Bolton also said in the book that Trump said that Journalist should be executed, which might explain why he help Saudi Arabia cover-up their assasination of Washinton post journalist Kashogi.

Unfortunately Bolton is in the same boat with Trump, putting his personal finacial interests regarding this book ahead of testifying in the impeachment trial when he knew Trump needed to be impeached.

He accused Trump of being a complete ignoramous and that many of the top people around him had said as much in private themselves including Secretary of state Pompeo who said "this guy is so full of ..... He said that Trump was shocked when at his meeting in England with Teresa May he found out that England was a nuclear power, and that he didn't understand that Finland was a country in its own right.

The lead democrat in the impeachment trial A. Schiff said: "Bolton may be an author, but he certainly isn't a patriot", for his refusal to testify in the trial for the sake of making money on his book.

[JimL]

That's a moron's summary. Vetting a "tell all" book from a government official is standard procedure. If Bolton refuses to comply then that's his problem.

Too late, copies of the book are already out and journalist have their hands on them. Nothing Trump can do about that. You'll have to wait for the Breitbart spin on it, MM.

[Cow Poke]

Why are you so anxious that everybody confirm concencration camps are bad?

Fine...concentration camps are bad! Horrible!

Can we include labor camps too? Internment as well?

Well, everybody knows that a ruthless dictator would do whatever Trump recommended...

Xi: I'm gonna build concentration camps
Trump: I don't think that's a good idea
Xi: You think I should NOT build concentration camps?
Trump: Definitely not
Xi: OK, cool -- I won't build concentration camps. Thanks so much for your advice.

Problem solved!