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  • #16
    Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View Post
    Christ shows us the nature of the Father independent of what you may believe about the Trinity.
    That is all the instruction we need to live well - getting this one doctrine correct isn't a huge deal.

    Christ is God for Dummies.

    So it is okay to take the ole' Trinitarian doctrine out for a spin but don't get hung up on it.
    Do you believe in the Trinity?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by RGJesus View Post
      How would you argue for the Trinity?
      Point you to Apologia Phoenix's area on here

      http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fo...-Deeper-Waters
      That's what
      - She

      Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

      I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
      - Stephen R. Donaldson

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
        The God-man Jesus died. Separating the two natures is Nestorianism.
        Are you saying that both God and man in Jesus die? Not the man Jesus?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
          Point you to Apologia Phoenix's area on here

          http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fo...-Deeper-Waters
          I'd like to hear how you'd argue for the Trinity, Bill the Cat.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by RGJesus View Post
            Are you saying that both God and man in Jesus die? Not the man Jesus?
            Does your spirit die when your flesh does?
            That's what
            - She

            Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
            - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

            I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
            - Stephen R. Donaldson

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            • #21
              Originally posted by RGJesus View Post
              I'd like to hear how you'd argue for the Trinity, Bill the Cat.
              Not really my forte. I deal with Mormons mainly. Nick is far better and WAAAAAYYYY more well-read on the Trinity
              That's what
              - She

              Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
              - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

              I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
              - Stephen R. Donaldson

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                Not really my forte. I deal with Mormons mainly. Nick is far better and WAAAAAYYYY more well-read on the Trinity
                I know about Nick Peters (son-in-law of Mike Licona). He's a very good apologist.

                Don't you believe in the Trinity? If so, I'd like to hear how you personally would argue for the Trinity. Give it your best shot, unless you're afraid that I might plant doubts in your head. If so, that should motivate you to make sure what you believe corresponds with truth.
                Last edited by RGJesus; 11-10-2016, 11:01 AM.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                  Does your spirit die when your flesh does?
                  Let's just say my spirit doesn't die when my flesh does. When Jesus died, was his flesh that died? If so, then it is the man Jesus that died, not the God-man Jesus. Or maybe it is the flesh of (the God-man) Jesus that died. Are you not seeing the logical problem?
                  Last edited by RGJesus; 11-10-2016, 11:05 AM.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by RGJesus View Post
                    Let's just say my spirit doesn't die when my flesh does. When Jesus died, was his flesh that died? If so, then it is the man Jesus that died, not the God-man Jesus. Are you not seeing the logical problem?
                    Separating the identity of even Jesus' flesh from a divine spirit dwelling in it is apollinarianism. God and man are distinct natures that cannot be confused or divided.

                    "Fire is catching. If we burn, you burn with us!"
                    "I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to stay here and cause all kinds of trouble."
                    Katniss Everdeen


                    Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by thewriteranon View Post
                      Separating the identity of even Jesus' flesh from a divine spirit dwelling in it is apollinarianism. God and man are distinct natures that cannot be confused or divided.
                      Then, thewriteranon, you've just branded Bill the Cat as guilty of apollinarianism, I think.

                      How would you answer? When Jesus died, was it the man Jesus, was it the God Jesus, or was it the God-man Jesus that died?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by RGJesus View Post
                        Then, thewriteranon, you've just branded Bill the Cat as guilty of apollinarianism, I think.

                        How would you answer? When Jesus died, was it the man Jesus, was it the God Jesus, or was it the God-man Jesus that died?
                        Yes.

                        "Fire is catching. If we burn, you burn with us!"
                        "I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to stay here and cause all kinds of trouble."
                        Katniss Everdeen


                        Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by thewriteranon View Post
                          Yes.
                          Yes to all questions? Your answer is different from Bill the Cat and other Trinitarians. Please explain how the God Jesus die?
                          Last edited by RGJesus; 11-10-2016, 11:14 AM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by RGJesus View Post
                            Yes to each question?
                            The two natures cannot be confused or divided.

                            "Fire is catching. If we burn, you burn with us!"
                            "I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to stay here and cause all kinds of trouble."
                            Katniss Everdeen


                            Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by thewriteranon View Post
                              The two natures cannot be confused or divided.
                              Please explain how the God-man Jesus died. Let's start with this: before Jesus resurrected, when his dead corpse was laying in the tomb, was it conscious or unconscious?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by RGJesus View Post
                                Please explain how the God-man Jesus died. Let's start with this: before Jesus resurrected, when his dead corpse was laying in the tomb, was it conscious or unconscious?
                                I'm not going to play question and answer games as I don't like the cut of your jib here. You're going to need to go back to the church fathers because you clearly are approaching the whole question in a modernist mindset that is recent and deeply flawed. Athanasius, first and foremost. The Cappadocian fathers. And please throw in some pseudo-Dionysius to introduce you to the concept of theological mystery.

                                "Fire is catching. If we burn, you burn with us!"
                                "I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to stay here and cause all kinds of trouble."
                                Katniss Everdeen


                                Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast.

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