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    I guess Calexit has been decided to be too stupid to consider, so in a completely obvious attempt to try to gain more control of congress, California wants to split into three states.


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    Controversial Plan to Split California Into 3 States Earns Spot on November Ballot

    California’s 168-year run as a single entity, hugging the continent’s edge for hundreds of miles and sprawling east across mountains and desert, could come to an end next year — as a controversial plan to split the Golden State into three new jurisdictions qualified Tuesday for the Nov. 6 ballot.

    If a majority of voters who cast ballots agree, a long and contentious process would begin for three separate states to take the place of California, with one primarily centered around Los Angeles and the other two divvying up the counties to the north and south. Completion of the radical plan — far from certain, given its many hurdles at judicial, state and federal levels — would make history.

    http://ktla.com/2018/06/12/radical-p...vember-ballot/



  • #2
    I wish they could combine the left coast from Los Angeles to San Francisco into one political entity then kick it out of the country.
    When I Survey....

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Faber View Post
      I wish they could combine the left coast from Los Angeles to San Francisco into one political entity then kick it out of the country.
      We should send out "free cruise" tickets to all of the liberals and then ship them all off to North Korea.

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      • #4
        They are missing a great opportunity here to name one of the states "The Hotel California"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          They are missing a great opportunity here to name one of the states "The Hotel California"
          But then they'll never leave.
          hotel california.jpg
          When I Survey....

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Faber View Post
            But then they'll never leave.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              I guess Calexit has been decided to be too stupid to consider, so in a completely obvious attempt to try to gain more control of congress, California wants to split into three states.
              When one considers its high population, California is actually astoundingly underrepresented in the US Senate. Granted, that's part of the point of the Senate, that the small states get the same number of representatives as the big ones, but California stands in a league of its own in this regard.

              This does have some merits to it. It's my understanding that the more rural areas of California, which there are quite a few of, are often irritated by the way they're ruled over by the handful of super-populated urban cities like Los Angeles. This has the effect of homogenizing the state according to the desires of a geographically small part of it. The splitting up could do something to fix that up a bit and let the individual areas of California be better able to respond to their own interests. Mind you, I'm not that familiar with California geographically so I'm not sure if the specifically proposed split would do much to accomplish that, but it is something to note.

              The big issue I see if this goes through is the fact all the other states will think to themselves "hrm... why can't we do that?" California may have an especially compelling interest in splitting itself up, but once one state does it, others with less of an interest previously may want to give it a try. Just a few years ago there was an attempt to move part of New York into Pennsylvania; the splitting of California would cause efforts like that to gain much more recognition.

              For the record, though, I don't think we can tie this back to Calexit. The main guy behind this (Tim Draper) actually tried to get a measure about separating California into six states back in 2014, before Calexit was a thing at all. He didn't get enough signatures to put it on the ballot then, though, but this time he did (perhaps splitting it into three states was considered more reasonable than six).
              Last edited by Terraceth; 06-13-2018, 08:55 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                in a completely obvious attempt to try to gain more control of congress, California wants to split into three states.
                Actually, since House seats are calculated by population it wouldn't affect those, and it would affect the senate only in the case where they manage to draw the borders such that all three parts of the split California end up democratic leaning. If one of the three goes republican and the other two go democratic then it won't affect the senate.

                Making DC or PR a state would be a simpler way for Dems to get more senate seats.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                  When one considers its high population, California is actually astoundingly underrepresented in the US Senate. Granted, that's part of the point of the Senate, that the small states get the same number of representatives as the big ones, but California stands in a league of its own in this regard.
                  Actually, it's the entire point of the Senate, now that senators are directly elected.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    Actually, it's the entire point of the Senate, now that senators are directly elected.
                    Well originally the point of the senate, as I understand it, was to allow the rich and powerful to maintain control of government and stop the pesky populace having too much democratic influence. (It's modeled, at least somewhat, on the House of Lords in the UK, where the aristocracy could veto the laws that the pesky house of commons was passing) Then its purpose transitioned to ensuring that slavery wasn't banned by ensuring there were always enough senators from slave-states to stop the federal government passing a ban on slavery.

                    So historically it's been the part of the US government that had a stated purpose of being openly undemocratic / evil.

                    Mostly what the senate seems to do now, in practice, is give the Republican party unduly high levels of representation in congress relative to the amount of votes cast for them.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      I guess Calexit has been decided to be too stupid to consider, so in a completely obvious attempt to try to gain more control of congress, California wants to split into three states.


                      ======================

                      Controversial Plan to Split California Into 3 States Earns Spot on November Ballot

                      California’s 168-year run as a single entity, hugging the continent’s edge for hundreds of miles and sprawling east across mountains and desert, could come to an end next year — as a controversial plan to split the Golden State into three new jurisdictions qualified Tuesday for the Nov. 6 ballot.

                      If a majority of voters who cast ballots agree, a long and contentious process would begin for three separate states to take the place of California, with one primarily centered around Los Angeles and the other two divvying up the counties to the north and south. Completion of the radical plan — far from certain, given its many hurdles at judicial, state and federal levels — would make history.

                      http://ktla.com/2018/06/12/radical-p...vember-ballot/

                      I don’t think that would help democrats that much. Only Texas put more republicans in the house. If anything, such a split could keep land a few California republicans in the senate and could free up the democrat stranglehold on the electoral college too.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        Well originally the point of the senate, as I understand it, was to allow the rich and powerful to maintain control of government and stop the pesky populace having too much democratic influence. (It's modeled, at least somewhat, on the House of Lords in the UK, where the aristocracy could veto the laws that the pesky house of commons was passing)
                        Not especially. The House of Lords is hereditary, whereas the Senate was originally composed of senators elected by their own state's legislatures - in other words, they were indirectly elected by the people. It was expressly set up in order to give smaller states a say in the federal government (along with the Electoral College).
                        Then its purpose transitioned to ensuring that slavery wasn't banned by ensuring there were always enough senators from slave-states to stop the federal government passing a ban on slavery.

                        So historically it's been the part of the US government that had a stated purpose of being openly undemocratic / evil.
                        Your opinion is duly noted.
                        Mostly what the senate seems to do now, in practice, is give the Republican party unduly high levels of representation in congress relative to the amount of votes cast for them.
                        This is where your ignorance (and hatred of Republicans in general) gets in the way: as recently as 2011, the Democrats had a nearly filibuster-proof majority.
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                        • #13
                          I do not like the idea. I would be living in Southern California working out of state in California. Likely having to pay two state taxes.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            Well originally the point of the senate, as I understand it, was to allow the rich and powerful to maintain control of government and stop the pesky populace having too much democratic influence. (It's modeled, at least somewhat, on the House of Lords in the UK, where the aristocracy could veto the laws that the pesky house of commons was passing) Then its purpose transitioned to ensuring that slavery wasn't banned by ensuring there were always enough senators from slave-states to stop the federal government passing a ban on slavery.

                            So historically it's been the part of the US government that had a stated purpose of being openly undemocratic / evil.

                            Mostly what the senate seems to do now, in practice, is give the Republican party unduly high levels of representation in congress relative to the amount of votes cast for them.
                            The above disqualifies your claims about knowing all about the U.S. from ever being taken seriously again.

                            Next you'll be telling us that George Washington crossed the Indian Ocean aboard the Mayflower to attack the Romans.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                              I do not like the idea. I would be living in Southern California working out of state in California. Likely having to pay two state taxes.
                              most states have reciprocal agreements so that you only have to pay the tax in the state in which you live, not work. Basically the state where you work takes out the taxes for your resident state.

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