The Impeachment Trial

[One Bad Pig]

Andrew, the lawyer, disagrees.
That was in no way an ordinary redeployment. It is, however, a test of how much authoritarian bullying and intimidtion of the others, that you will put up with.

You realize that the job description of a lawyer is pretty much "find a way to make the facts fit your premise", yes?

[Mountain Man]

You realize that the job description of a lawyer is pretty much "find a way to make the facts fit your premise", yes?

Or at least claim that the facts fit your narrative even when they don't.

[firstfloor]

You realize that the job description of a lawyer is pretty much "find a way to make the facts fit your premise", yes?

[One Bad Pig]

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Keep squawking.

[firstfloor]

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Keep squawking.

What a pathetic response.

[JimL]

He may have a lust for vengeance, like many a mob boss does, but his real reason, like their's, is to send a message to others who are loyal to the U.S. rather than to Trump himself, that he will come after them like he has done to all those who have dared speak truth to power since his becoming President. The ways of an authoritarian wannabe dictator are easy to spot for those whose eyes are open.

[Mountain Man]

Trump was motivated by his desire to get an admitted leaker out of the White House. And Vindman is still employed, he just has a different job description now. It's too bad Trump doesn't have the authority to assign him to latrine duty.

[firstfloor]

Trump was motivated by his desire to get an admitted leaker out of the White House. And Vindman is still employed, he just has a different job description now. It's too bad Trump doesn't have the authority to assign him to latrine duty.

[JimL]

Trump was motivated by his desire to get an admitted leaker out of the White House. And Vindman is still employed, he just has a different job description now. It's too bad Trump doesn't have the authority to assign him to latrine duty.

What did Vindman leak, MM. I thought you acknowledged that he wasn't the whistleblower. Vindman testified under oath to Congress and told the truth as he saw it. That's not leaking.

[Mountain Man]

Is there anyone left on this forum that takes you seriously?

Yes.

It also says "harmful action". In what way was Vindman harmed?

[Mountain Man]

What did Vindman leak, MM.

He leaked privileged information to Eric Ciaramella.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/19...whistleblower/

Vindman was not authorized to share details of the phone call with anyone outside of his chain of command, and he certainly wasn't authorized to lie about what was actually said.

Vindman is not an honorable man. That's probably why the left thinks he's a hero.

[firstfloor]

He leaked privileged information to Eric Ciaramella.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/19...whistleblower/

Vindman was not authorized to share details of the phone call with anyone outside of his chain of command, and he certainly wasn't authorized to lie about what was actually said.

Vindman is not an honorable man. That's probably why the left thinks he's a hero.

[JimL]

He leaked privileged information to Eric Ciaramella.

And you know this how, MM? You don't. He definitely took it to White House Council, Eisenberg, who told him to shut up about it. You have no clue who told the whistleblower or even who the whistleblower is.

"Lietenant Colonel Vindman, did you discuss the July 25 phone call with anyone outside the White House on July 25 or the 26 and if so, with whom?” Republican Rep. Devin Nunes of California inquired.

“Yes. I did,” Vindman answered in the affirmative.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/19...whistleblower/

Yes, he did, just as he was trained to do.

Vindman was not authorized to share details of the phone call with anyone outside of his chain of command, and he certainly wasn't authorized to lie about what was actually said.

Vindman is not an honorable man. That's probably why the left thinks he's a hero.

And again, you have no idea who he shared it with other than Eisenberg. And the reason Trump gave for firing him from his White House assignment, wasn't that he leaked the call, it was that he didn't like his portrayal of the call at the Congressional hearing. If Trump truly believed Vindman did anything illegal, you should know by now that Trump would have the DOJ/Barr on his case. They know better!

[Mountain Man]

Whistleblowers are encouraged to report wrongdoing...

If Vindman wasn't too cowardly to blow the whistle himself then he should have worked within his chain of command, not leaked privileged information to an unauthorized third-party. Trump has every right, one might even say moral obligation to remove an admitted leaker from the White House.

[Mountain Man]

As I think about it, I know why Vindman didn't have the guts to blow the whistle himself: because he couldn't lie on an official report without putting his pudgy butt on the line. But by feeding his lies to Ciaramella and letting the latter blow the proverbial whistle, Vindman was able to get his lies on record, and because Ciaramella was only reporting hearsay, he has inherent plausible deniability.

Very sneaky. Very dishonorable.