Bernie Sanders Is The Front-Runner

[JimL]

I'm aware of how Denmark's economy works, thanks. Still not socialism, democratic or otherwise.

Yes, it is, it's democratically regulated capitalism, hence "democratic socialism." You're simply arguing over the word. Universal healthcare is socialism, free education is socialism. The U.S. itself has socialist policies.

[Mountain Man]

Yes, it is, it's democratically regulated capitalism, hence "democratic socialism."

You're just trolling us, aren't you? Because what you just said is like saying, "This paper is black, hence it's white."

[One Bad Pig]

You're just trolling us, aren't you? Because what you just said is like saying, "This paper is black, hence it's white."

I think JimL intended to say "socialism" both times.

[One Bad Pig]

Yes, it is, it's democratically regulated capitalism, hence "democratic socialism." You're simply arguing over the word. Universal healthcare is socialism, free education is socialism. The U.S. itself has socialist policies.

We don't have universal healthcare, and free education is not socialism. In a socialist system, the schools would be entirely run by the federal government; our schools are regulated by the federal government, but run at the local level.

[Sparko]

Bernie stuck his foot in his mouth with the hispanic vote after his praise of Castro..so much for "democratic socialism" - Cuba is outright communism. And Bernie keeps praising them.

[One Bad Pig]

Bernie stuck his foot in his mouth with the hispanic vote after his praise of Castro..so much for "democratic socialism" - Cuba is outright communism. And Bernie keeps praising them.

Somewhat. A lot of the backlash is from Cuban Americans. They're important for the Florida vote, but not so much elsewhere.

[Sparko]

Bernie is a Democratic Socialist the same way North Korea is a Democratic Republic.

[seer]

Bernie stuck his foot in his mouth with the hispanic vote after his praise of Castro..so much for "democratic socialism" - Cuba is outright communism. And Bernie keeps praising them.

That is what I said, Bernie is still largely a blank slate. As people get to know him (his policies) the more they will dislike him.




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[Jim B.]

This is what bugs me about "democratic socialists" - They keep pointing to the Netherlands and saying that is what they want, but then they keep calling it socialism. If what they want is a capitalist "welfare state" then why not call it that instead of "democratic socialism?" Socialism has bad connotations. So why use the term if that is not what they actually want?

I think they want actual socialism, but they know nobody will go for that, so they water it down, and point to the Netherlands and say that is what they really want, and label is as "socialism" because they want to ease the people into accepting the idea of actual socialism and they get more people onboard. A bit like the old story about boiling a frog by warming up the water a little at a time.

That's a good point. Sanders is actually a 'social democrat' if you look only at his policy proposals and not his self-labeling. I think he's too rhetorically ossified from his old lefty days in the 60's when he really was a socialist.

[Sparko]

That's a good point. Sanders is actually a 'social democrat' if you look only at his policy proposals and not his self-labeling. I think he's too rhetorically ossified from his old lefty days in the 60's when he really was a socialist.

I think he still is and wants to soften his stance by pretending he just wants a welfare state. That's how it starts. Then when everyone is hooked on government handouts, the government can just take over the market completely.

[rogue06]

That's a good point. Sanders is actually a 'social democrat' if you look only at his policy proposals and not his self-labeling. I think he's too rhetorically ossified from his old lefty days in the 60's when he really was a socialist.

One of the boasts among Sanders' supporters is about his consistency. The views he held 40-50 years ago differ very little from what he holds now.

[rogue06]

Bernie stuck his foot in his mouth with the hispanic vote after his praise of Castro..so much for "democratic socialism" - Cuba is outright communism. And Bernie keeps praising them.

Probably have about as much effect as his support for Venezuela

[JimL]

We don't have universal healthcare, and free education is not socialism. In a socialist system, the schools would be entirely run by the federal government; our schools are regulated by the federal government, but run at the local level.

We weren't talking about the U.S., OBP, we were talking about Denmark, whether they have socialism intermingled in their otherwise market based economy.

[JimL]

Bernie stuck his foot in his mouth with the hispanic vote after his praise of Castro..so much for "democratic socialism" - Cuba is outright communism. And Bernie keeps praising them.

Is a massive literacy program a bad thing? That's was Sanders point, not that Castro was great, or that pure socialism/communism is great. Sanders can't help it if people are stupid and can't distinguish the difference between praising Castro himself and praising certain policies that were instituted under Castro.

[JimL]

That is what I said, Bernie is still largely a blank slate. As people get to know him (his policies) the more they will dislike him.




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Sanders is hardly a blank slate, if you think so then you just haven't been paying attention.