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Originally posted by JimL View PostHaving an abortion is itself a womens health issue. And we didn't concede anything, that the vast majority of abortions are not performed to safegaurd the womens physical health is common knowledge. As I said right off the bat, 90 some odd percent of abortions are performed in the first trimester, and few of those are done to protect the physical health of the mother.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostAFAIK, trimesters have no medical significance whatsoever and are purely a convenient separation of the pregnancy by an easily divisible number. So if they're actually using the first-second trimester delineation as a measurement for viability, then their criteria is wholly arbitrary.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, actually there is much medical significance concerning the age of the fetus. For example, a fetus can not feel pain until 30 weeks, the third trimester, a time in which very few abortions are performed, and those are performed for health reasons.
Is that a fact?
The old, uninformed notions that unborn and newborn babies could not feel pain are refuted by a growing body of scientific evidence. The published scientific literature shows that unborn babies can experience pain at 20 weeks gestational age (20 weeks LMP, since Last Menstrual Period, the fetal age estimate used by most obstetricians) or earlier.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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And what an insanely barbaric way to evaluate human life --- does the baby feel pain? Who gets to be the sadistic jackass who pokes and prods and watches for a pain response from an unborn baby? Somebody needs to check to see if that jackass can feel pain under various circumstances.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Is that a fact?
The old, uninformed notions that unborn and newborn babies could not feel pain are refuted by a growing body of scientific evidence. The published scientific literature shows that unborn babies can experience pain at 20 weeks gestational age (20 weeks LMP, since Last Menstrual Period, the fetal age estimate used by most obstetricians) or earlier.
http://www.livescience.com/54774-fet...nesthesia.html
http://discovermagazine.com/2005/dec/fetus-feel-pain
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd what an insanely barbaric way to evaluate human life --- does the baby feel pain? Who gets to be the sadistic jackass who pokes and prods and watches for a pain response from an unborn baby? Somebody needs to check to see if that jackass can feel pain under various circumstances.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostOf course you are citing a biased anti abortion source. Here are 2 unbiased sources, both of which disagree with your biased source.
http://www.livescience.com/54774-fet...nesthesia.html
http://discovermagazine.com/2005/dec/fetus-feel-painThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThey don't poke and prod to see if the fetus feels pain, they study the fetal development to see when it is that the nerve connections and so forth, required to feel pain, actually develop.
The problem with pain
One reason the question of fetal pain is so controversial is because pain is always a subjective experience, said Dr. Anne Davis, an OB/GYN and the consulting medical director for Physicians for Reproductive Health. Davis is an abortion provider.
Unlike with blood pressure or body temperature, for example, there's no definitive way to measure pain, Davis said. People do have ways of communicating how much pain they're feeling; for example, doctors often ask people to rate their pain on a scale of 1 to 10. But the experience of pain is fundamentally subjective, Davis said. In other words, what might be very painful to one person may cause very little pain to someone else.
You probably never feel pain, Jimmy, cause Dr Davis indicates a brain is necessary.
"Pain occurs in [the] brain," Davis said.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd, from one of your pro-abortion heroes...
The problem with pain
One reason the question of fetal pain is so controversial is because pain is always a subjective experience, said Dr. Anne Davis, an OB/GYN and the consulting medical director for Physicians for Reproductive Health. Davis is an abortion provider.
Unlike with blood pressure or body temperature, for example, there's no definitive way to measure pain, Davis said. People do have ways of communicating how much pain they're feeling; for example, doctors often ask people to rate their pain on a scale of 1 to 10. But the experience of pain is fundamentally subjective, Davis said. In other words, what might be very painful to one person may cause very little pain to someone else.
You probably never feel pain, Jimmy, cause Dr Davis indicates a brain is necessary.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostDr Davis is not talking science, and the science says that the nervous system necessary for the experience of pain is not developed until at least the 28th week, the third trimester.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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From Neurology Today...
FETAL PAIN EXPERT DISAGREES WITH STUDY
One expert on fetal pain, however, disagrees. Kanwaljeet S. Anand, MD, Professor of Pediatrics, Anesthesiology, Pharmacology, and Neurobiology at the University of Arkansas, asserts the human fetus can experience pain from at least 20 weeks after conception. The “gate theory” of pain first proposed in 1965 by psychologist Ronald Melzack and anatomist Patrick Wall, he contends, demonstrates that pain signals on their way to the brain produce the perception of pain even before they reach the cerebral cortex (Science 1965; 150:971–979).
And he wears a turban, so he's more righter!!!
anand.jpegThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostFrom Neurology Today...
FETAL PAIN EXPERT DISAGREES WITH STUDY
One expert on fetal pain, however, disagrees. Kanwaljeet S. Anand, MD, Professor of Pediatrics, Anesthesiology, Pharmacology, and Neurobiology at the University of Arkansas, asserts the human fetus can experience pain from at least 20 weeks after conception. The “gate theory” of pain first proposed in 1965 by psychologist Ronald Melzack and anatomist Patrick Wall, he contends, demonstrates that pain signals on their way to the brain produce the perception of pain even before they reach the cerebral cortex (Science 1965; 150:971–979).
And he wears a turban, so he's more righter!!!
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYou are talking about legality, we are talking about motivation. Two different things.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Is that a fact?
The old, uninformed notions that unborn and newborn babies could not feel pain are refuted by a growing body of scientific evidence. The published scientific literature shows that unborn babies can experience pain at 20 weeks gestational age (20 weeks LMP, since Last Menstrual Period, the fetal age estimate used by most obstetricians) or earlier.
Please note that the RCOG's findings themselves question the 30 weeks claim.
And then there is this:
And the article continues at the above link.
The point being, it is anything but cut and dry.
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