Hi David O,
Your Wrote:
<<< My conscience used to let me do a lot of stuff. I don't trust it as far as I can throw it. I have decided to go just by what the Bible says. If I get called a legalist for asking women in my care to not speak in church, I'll take it. I'm not going to hold a gun to anyone's head and make them tell their wife to be quiet in church or even to stop being gay. If they ask me what I think, I'll tell them that I think it's a disgrace, because that is what it says in the Bible. Drinking wine is good in the Bible so I'm not worried when someone tells me it's a sin. Jimmy Swaggart himself told me rock music was the Devil's. He used it to turn my own Father against me. It sucks that he did that, but he gets to have his opinion about the Bible. God will deal with him for being hateful to me, but I'll defend his right to say that he believes something to be a sin. If I get called weak-conscienced because I want to obey the New Testament commandments, it won't kill me either.
As for the case he made against the word "Legalism," I think it's solid. There is no such thing. >>>
My Response:
Maybe I should say something about how I apply the principle of bearing the burden of weak conscience Christians in my everyday Christian life. Years ago, one of the first things that I discovered was that the Bible only listed about four doubtful things that the weak and strong conscience Christians were quarreling about in that era: leftover meat from pagan sacrificial animals, certain days, certain foods and alcoholic beverages (
Romans 14). My common sense reasoning keep telling me that there should be some sort of information in the Bible that indicates a differentiation between extremely doubtful things that almost all weak conscience Christians will have a weak conscience about and the "not-so-extremely-doubtful-things" or "petty doubtful things" that only a small percentage of weak conscience Christians have a weak conscience about. However, I found that the Bible did not explicitly refer to extremely doubtful things and to petty doubtful things. That baffled me for a little while. Why didn't God give us clear and obvious information like that? The biggest reason why that baffled me was because a person could then easily claim that a Christians should abstain 100% from any doubtful thing even if only 1 person in 1,000,000 had a weak conscience about it and even if you lived 1000 miles away from that 1 person. Therefore, I started looking for information in the Bible that would indirectly indicate logically a differentiation between extremely doubtful things and not-so-extremely-doubtful things. My own personal experience with modern weak conscience Christians clearly revealed that there were some doubtful things, that I called extremely doubtful things, that almost all weak conscience Christians have a weak conscience about, and that there were some doubtful things that only a small percentage of weak conscience Christians have a weak conscience about, which I called petty doubtful things. My experience with modern weak conscience Christians also revealed that it was the extremely doubtful things that most often caused the hottest battles between weak conscience Christians and strong conscience Christians that practiced or partook of those extremely doubtful things. I felt that surely the same thing must have been happening during the era that Paul lived in, since Christians in his time had the same human nature that modern Christians have. Finally, it dawned on me that the examples that Paul listed in his epistles could be just the extremely doubtful things in his era that weak conscience Christians and strong conscience Christians were fighting over. It was those extremely doubtful things that Paul listed that were causing the weak conscience Christians to speak evil judgments (blasphemous judgments,
Romans 14:16) of the strong conscience Christians who exercised their freedom in those things. Therefore, I concluded that God could be telling strong conscience Christians that the extremely doubtful things are the only doubtful things where near 100% abstinence from was necessary. However, this also meant that God did not explicitly list any petty doubtful things and give explicit instructions on how to handle the petty doubtful things. Therefore, I concluded that God is expecting strong conscience Christians to use their common sense logic in determining how often, when and where to exercise our freedom in the area of petty doubtful things. Even though 100% abstinence from the petty doubtful things is not necessary, the exercising of our freedom in these areas should not be done in a way that will encourage those few weak conscience Christians that have weak consciences about the petty doubtful things to become bold enough to act against their weak conscience (
1 Cor. 8:9-13).
I will present another line of reasoning that leads me to similar conclusions. The Bible tell us that a husband and wife are to love each other, but leaves out a lot of fine detail, such as: how often to have sexual intercourse, how often to buy flowers for my wife, do I buy her flowers or something else, how often to tell my wife how much I love her, should I take my wife out to dinner, how often should I take her out to dinner, etc. Obviously, God is expecting husbands and wives to use their common sense that is guided by biblical principles. Since the Bible does not explicitly tell strong conscience Christians how many Christians have to have a weak conscience about an item to warrant 100% abstinence from that item, God is expecting us to use our common sense guided by the biblical principle of bearing the burden of weak conscience Christians. According to
Rom. 14:1-15:7,
1 Cor. 8:1-13, 1 Cor. 10:23-33, following the principle of bearing the burden of weak conscience Christians should accomplish several things. According to my comprehension, the following is a list of those things:
1) (
Romans 14:1) -- It should prevent bitter disputes with weak conscience Christians over doubtful things; thus, keeping peace in the church.
2) (
Romans 14:1-12, 13, 15, 16, 19, 21; 15:1 and
1Cor. 10:23-33) -- It should prevent weak conscience Christians, as well as weak conscience non-Christians, from stumbling to where their judging is slanderous, blasphemous, evil speaking of our good and us. We should walk charitably for the purpose of maintaining peace, causing edification and not pleasing ourselves.
3) (
1 Cor. 8:9-13) -- It should prevent weak conscience Christians from becoming bold enough to partake of the doubtful items that they believe are sin. Because, if the actions of a strong conscience Christian causes weak conscience Christians to partake of things that they believe are sin, he has caused those weak conscience Christians to be become guilty of sin; and now that strong conscience Christian is guilty of sin since his actions caused the weak conscience Christians to go against their weak conscience.
Common sense reveals that, as near as possible, 100% abstinence from a doubtful item is necessary to accomplish the first two results when the percentage of Christians and/or non-Christians that have a weak conscience about an item is high. The Scriptures reveal only a few extremely doubtful things that the majority of weak conscience Christians during Paul's lifetime had weak consciences about
: leftover meat from pagan sacrificial animals, non-vegetarian diets, not esteeming of certain days above another and alcoholic beverages (
Romans 14:21). Today the majority of modern weak conscience Christians that have weak consciences have weak consciences about some of the same extremely doubtful things as well as new and different extremely doubtful things such things as: alcoholic beverages, tobacco, certain musical rhythms (rock, country and western, jazz, rap, and new age) and etc---. Also, today a small percentage of the weak conscience Christians that have a weak conscience about the extremely doubtful things, will also have weak conscience about some not-so-extremely-doubtful items (petty doubtful things): movie theater, pants on women, guitars, saxophones, electronic keyboard musical instruments, video rental stores, holding a microphone while singing or preaching, ear rings larger than a quarter, regular deck of playing cards, and etc---. There is a very interesting thing happening today in modern fundamentalism. There is a significant percentage of weak conscience Christians in fundamentalism today that have weak consciences only about some or all of the extremely doubtful things but not about the petty doubtful things. Their numbers in any given community is sufficient enough that there are fundamental churches today that contain primarily only those weak conscience Christians that have weak consciences about the extremely doubtful things and not the petty doubtful things, who I often refer to as "hybrid" or "half-and-half" weak conscience Christians. It seems like these individual Christians are half weak conscience Christian and half strong conscience Christian (hybrids). A very perplexing thing about a significant percentage of the "half-and-half" weak conscience Christians is that out of one corner of their mouth they are blasphemously judging Christians that don't have a weak conscience about the extremely doubtful items that they have a weak conscience about and out of the other corner of their mouth, with much despite, judge Christians as being legalists that have weak consciences about the petty doubtful items that they don't have a weak conscience about.
I endeavor to do 100% abstinence from the extremely doubtful things, such as the ones that I listed previous (alcoholic beverages, tobacco, certain musical rhythms (rock, country and western, jazz, rap and new age). Well, almost 100% on the doubtful musical rhythms since I do not always turn off the TV and radio during commercials or turn off the sound system in stores when I am shopping. If I am visiting unsaved friends, neighbors and relatives, I usually do not ask them to turnoff the music they are listening to. A very high percentage of Christians that have weak consciences will have a weak conscience about most of those extremely doubtful things if not all of those items, so I endeavor to do, well --- let me say, 98% (smile) abstinence. I have also found that most Churches that prefer to call themselves Fundamental Churches rather than Evangelical Churches do not use the above five musical rhythms in their music. An interesting thing that I have notice over the years is that the extremely doubtful things that the majority of weak conscience Christians have a weak conscience about turn out to be the doubtful things that weak conscience non-Christians are most likely to have a weak conscience about also.
Also, common sense reveals that 100% abstinence from a doubtful item is not necessary to accomplish the first two results when the percentage of Christians and/or non-Christians that have a weak conscience about an item is small. Since their number is small, the non-proud weak conscience Christians usually will not speak evil of the strong conscience Christians. Thus, there usually will not be any bitter disputes occur in the church over such things; those few weak conscience Christians will only do Biblically proper judging that is not of a sinful slanderous, blasphemous, evil speaking nature. Even though 100% abstinence is not necessary under this condition, the exercising of our freedom should not be done in a way that will encourage those few weak conscience Christians to become bold enough to act against their weak conscience (
1 Cor. 8:9-13).
Well, a little more detail about the not-so-extremely-doubtful items: movie theater, pants on women, guitars, saxophones, electronic keyboard musical instruments, video rental stores, holding a microphone while singing or preaching, ear rings larger than a quarter, regular deck of playing cards, and etc---. The percentage of Fundamentalists that have a weak conscience about the petty doubtful things is significantly smaller than for those that have a weak conscience about extremely doubtful things. Therefore, I do not endeavor to do 100% abstinence from them. However, I do use my God given common sense wisdom and courtesy guided by the Biblical principle of bearing the burden of weak conscience Christians to determine when, how often and where to use or partake of the petty doubtful things. As an example, I do not use a regular deck of cards at Sunday school class fellowships. However, I do use them at home and when I am having fellowship (not a Church sponsored fellowship) with Christians that do not have a weak conscience about them. I will also use them when I am visiting with unsaved friends, neighbors and relatives that do not have a weak conscience about them.
Many years back (in the mid-1970's) I concluded concerning doubtful things that the majority of Christians in the Fundamental group of Christians were equivalent to the group of weak conscience Christians that God through Paul was admonishing in Romans chapter 14 and that the majority of Christians in the Evangelical group of Christians were equivalent to the group of strong conscience Christians that God through Paul was admonishing in Romans chapter 14 and 15. Yes, modern Christianity is one-big-time repeat of
Romans 14:1 through 15:7. Also, in the early 1980's I stopped believing that the broad, relative, variable and adaptable concept of legalism could have ever been a valid Biblical concept and that a legalist could have ever been valid Biblical critter. I also rejected the older and narrower definition for legalism and a legalist where the definition referred only to "a reliance on works to earn or help earn salvation." Because I found that, very few modern Christians held to this older and narrower definition of a legalist and legalism any more. And I found that when I used the terms legalism and legalist most Christians always thought that I was referring to a weak conscience Christian that believed some non-sinful things were sin in themselves. Since these two groups of Christians are large in number, it is easy for each to fall into the sins described in Romans chapter 14. The weak conscience Christians will speak evil, blasphemous judgments of the strong conscience Christians. The strong conscience Christians with much despite refuse to bear the burden of weak conscience Christians and with much despite accuse the weak conscience Christians of being legalists and Pharisees. Both the modern day strong conscience Christians that despise the weak conscience Christians and the modern day weak conscience Christians that are speaking evil, blasphemous judgments of strong conscience Christians display more human intellectual brilliance than their counterparts in Paul's day by having developed the illogical, very broad, relative, variable and adaptable concepts called a legalist and legalism.
A brother in Christ,
David C. Geminden
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The Legalist, The Imaginary Jackelope of Modern Christians
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Weak Conscience Christians and Legalism
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