Following is an easy to understand comprehensive timeline of Revelation which fits perfectly into the Timeline of Daniel because the prophets spoke about the same events.

Seeing there may be no prophecy students here, as most or all are past tense preterists that have negated all prophecy into the past, leaving only their supposed Rapture to take place in their future, they might as well try and present their counter revelation timelines.

Of course they can't show one even in the past tense, because formulating one would be impossible for them. nevertheless, the challenge is there for them as they can;t see the forest for their individual trees and individual doctrines of individual events.

So my Revelation Chart is here


http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Revelation.html

or the full vertical one at

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjor...sTimeline.html

So pretersist where are your timelines and logical rational cohesive timelines and order of events.

In His Prophetic Service

David

PS) It is also a waste of time to talk about current events with past tense preterists because they see no truths from prophecy and scriptures in the present tense which usually makes them nationalistic and patriotic and misaligned once again. Pity...

Preterists ..please feel free to post your timelines here in comparison to the prophecy of revelation.

Surely you have tried to get your doctrine together...as the Lord says in Isaiah 41 I think it was bring forth your cause and show what shall be ... or in your case show what has been fulfilled to prove nothing else is going to happen and that all prophecy is fulfilled and the Lord has nothing more to tell us except that he shall appear and take the righteous at the Rapture


http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjor...ibulation.html

So come on preterists, have some courage and speak up and defend yourselves, and show your work and how everything fits together according to the Lord's Words and prophecy

Hoping to hear from you

David

Well Dave the 'preterists' have been presenting ther case on various issues all over the 'Dispensationalism' and Eschatology' threads.

There is plenty for you to respond to and its silly to think every one will come running because you have so lowered yourself to allow them audience.

Hitch

That's their Choice, Hitch

But personnally I have never seen or heard from a together 'Preterist' yet, as they are usually disjointed and it would be literally and scripturially impossible for them to compose a timeline, in my opinion.

And so yes, I don't feel they will come running, as they usually tend to talk about jots and titles, for in that kind of debate they can go on for eternity, but the problem is we are now in the real world with a real direction of time, and the Lord's Plan is what we are supposed to be figuring out concerning the present and the future.

So 'Preterists' do fell free to compose your timelines and present them here.

Thanks

David

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjor...rophecies.html

PS) As a hint think forest not individual trees, think overview before you get into specifics.

No offense or anuthing, but that timeline is about the hardest one I have ever seen to follow. Look's like a big hodge podge of stuff stuck on a page--not meant derogatorially (???) but if you want people to learn from it, you need to make it easier to get a good picture of. I wasn't sure what was going on with all that stuff. Not to mention I disagree with it anyway. So are you a classic dispensationalist, Acts 9, what?


Joel

No offense, Joel, but I didn;t see your timeline posted, and do remember to understand mine it takes more than a few seconds, to take in its scenario of events and scripture readings.

If you have a question rather than just negative remarks, do make them

Thanks.

David

PS) And please don't use church words and labels, as a mossionary I have no idea what church labels mean...in most cases. Much appreciated.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Jesus.html

David,
I don't have a nice chart or timeline that illustrates the Preterist perspective. I don't know if anyone's made one, and I'm not about to. Your chart is indeed very hard to follow and probably needs some pretty lengthy explanation to do it justice. I'd rather not focus on fancy charts and graphs but spend some time using the Bible/history to debate (And I suppose even current events in your case). If you're up for that then I would be happy to discuss my view vs. your view with you.
And if you want to discuss it with me, let's keep it civil, I won't mention how dumb I think your view is if you'll do the same for mine

efta777:
David,
I don't have a nice chart or timeline that illustrates the Preterist perspective. I don't know if anyone's made one, and I'm not about to. Your chart is indeed very hard to follow and probably needs some pretty lengthy explanation to do it justice. I'd rather not focus on fancy charts and graphs but spend some time using the Bible/history to debate (And I suppose even current events in your case). If you're up for that then I would be happy to discuss my view vs. your view with you.
And if you want to discuss it with me, let's keep it civil, I won't mention how dumb I think your view is if you'll do the same for mine

Well said efta777. Civil discussion based on scripture.

David, of course I didn't post a timeline. Why would I want to? I'm sure your chart is very well thought through, but I don't think if I just sat down for a number of minutes I would be able to get what 's going on without someone explaining it to me.


Joel

Issac, bro

Objectively speaking it is permissable to say a doctrine is dumb or irrational or unscripturial, but you can't cross the line and say a believer in that doctrine or thought is dumb, as anyone can change their mind, and they are not cemented to an error, for all of us can make mistakes.

In real debate, as they say in the dumb Canadain Parliament, My Honourable opponent is mistaken, which is classy and then start to rip apart what has been said by the homoirable opponent in not so nice terms.

Past tense doesn;t interest me except in increasing faith in the Lord's prophecy for the future tense.

But Issac having said that I just did this posting last night, even though it is unfinnished and unconnected to my web-site as yet.

And Yes it shows past historical fulfillments to show future fulfillments and sepate the two.

SEE http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjor...domsofMan.html

It needs hyperlinks and rewording in many places, but it is a start.

As Yes, the revelation Timeline is complicated but simple to understand the flow if you take the time. It can be expanded and I have expanded it as have many others... http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjor...mysteries.html and four other Boards.

But honestly Issac, I just don;t have time to talk about the past hardly at all, It makes zero sense to me.

If you want to talk about current events and future events, GREAT !! All for it, as the Lord's words apply today and in the FUTURE, for He has lots to say

Got to go ..

David jay Jordan

OK, David, let's talk about the future. What's going to happen next? What will be the significance of that event?


Joel

Objectively speaking it is permissable to say a doctrine is dumb or irrational or unscripturial, but you can't cross the line and say a believer in that doctrine or thought is dumb, as anyone can change their mind, and they are not cemented to an error, for all of us can make mistakes.

It was completely a joke, sorry if you misunderstood.

Past tense doesn;t interest me except in increasing faith in the Lord's prophecy for the future tense.

If I believe that much of the Biblical prophecy is fulfilled, then how do you expect to convince me of your own view if you will not even for a moment consider mine? You won't even tell me why you disagree with me. I believe that I have ample evidence to suggest a preterist interpetation of prophecy, though you speak as if preterism is something with ZERO basis in Biblical fact. I am perfectly willing to hear all your arguments for future fulfillement if you will for a moment consider mine.

David, so far all I've seen you post about eschatology on this board is that preterism is the depths of stupidity, we must all just be a bunch of idiots for even considering such an idea. But I have not seen a shread of biblical evidence against preterism, or a shred of evidence for your view. So are you going to back up your claims, or just continue to blast us as idiots without supporting it? I'll debate you on this, and we don't even have to talk about what is in the past unless a passage comes up in which that may be an issue. But seriosly, your claims that preterism is just stupidity accomplish nothing except lower our opinion of you. I don't have a problem with you saying that you do not believe preterism is biblical, and presenting Biblical evidence for it-that's good. But this ridiculous insulting serves no purpose, and is, well, ridiculous.

Joel

Preterists don't get mad get even, say something, post something positive and encouraging and uplifting that connects to the present and future and that inspires people to read and understand the Lord's prophecy......

You have admitted you have no timelines and could never ever have one. So tell us what your next prophetic event is, or just tell us there is no future and the Lord has stopped talking. Say something,

And do remeber I don't call you dumb only the preterist doctrine dumb, as you can easily change your mind and get into the present and future tense. I am being objective and not subjective. So defend your dumb position with intelligence or timelines or the next prophetic event and give your reason or reasons.

As for your queries they are rather easy to answer, as the scenario of events are discernable in prophecy, for surely the Lord God will do nothing except he revealeth his secrets unto his servants ,,, as His prophetic Book sates so plainly. So read what i found an independant person has written which is reasonably correct

Taken from my Bulletin Board at http://forums.delphiforums.com/Mysteries1/messages

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Here's another independant web-site that agrees with us or we agree with them.... or we both or all agree with Jesus. Hopefully !!
Anyway it is at ... ( http://www.angelfire.com/realm/ofsta...HRONOLOGY.html )

And my only divergance with this scenario, is the very first event, the Rise of the AC, because the AC does not sign the Covenant, and as the ruler that rises to power in Russia, he is against it after Putin signs the daniel peace Covenant. The AC arises after the Covenant is signed, and not before, but we shall see, and it NUMBER 2 is upcoming shortly after this horrific war starts and brings countries to the Peace Table.

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1. The rise of the "anti-christ" or "beast". (Daniel 8:23)

2. Covenant signed. (Daniel 9:27)

3. Daily Sacrifice. (Daniel 11:31)

4. Breaking of the Covenant. (Daniel 11:31)

5. Great Tribulation starts (a 3 1/2 year time-period is given for this (Matthew 24:21, Daniel 12:11)

6. Beast revealed. 2 Thessalonians 2:3

7. Image set up. (Revelations 13:14-15)

8. Mark of the Beast and one-world credit system (Revelations 13:16, 17 and 18)

9. Return of Christ and "rapture" or resurrection of the dead (Matthew 24:29,30 and 31, 1 Thess. 4:16-17)

10. Wrath of God (Jeremiah 23:20 & Revelations 16:1)

11. Judgement seat of Christ (only the resurrected are judged at this time. Judgement of the "unsaved" is at the end of the
Millenium) 2 Corinthians 5:10,

12. Battle of Armageddon (Revelations 19:19)

13. The Millenium (1000 years of God and his saints controlling the earth (Revelations 20:4) Satan is also imprisoned at this
time for 1000 years)

14. The battle of Gog and Magog (Satan is released from the bottomless pit.*)

15. The Great White Throne Judgement: This is the judgement of everyone who was not resurrected at the return of
Christ.** (Rev. 20:12)

16. The New Heaven and the New Earth: God recreates the atmospheric heavens and earth...obviously to clean up all the
pollution and garbage. Earth becomes again like the garden of Eden and peace is restored permanently. I told you there was a
happy ending.

*This is because there will evidently be dissenters who will be given a final choice as to whether they want heaven on earth or
hell on earth.

**This is interesting because, according to certain Bible verses, God doesn't just see the human heart as either black or white
and just throw everyone into hell. It seems that this particular judgement is for people who, for example, hadn't heard the
Gospel of Jesus, but who had tried to lead a good life. Here are some interesting verses on the subject:

I will include two versions of Romans 2:14, 15 and 16: King James Version: "for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by
nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law
written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing
them in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel." (New Living Translation)
Romans 2:14, 15 and 16:"Even when Gentiles, who do not have God's written law, instinctively follow what the law says, they
show that in their hearts they know right from wrong. They demonstrate that God's law is written within them, for their own
consciences either accuse them or tell them they are doing what is right. The day will surely come when God, by Jesus Christ,
will judge everyone's secret life. This is my message."

So, this would explain the purpose of the "New Earth" as the resurrected are going to be living in Heaven. "In my Father's
house are many mansions...I go to prepare a place for you." (John 14)


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So the next event is the signing of the Ciovenant brought on by America's next War, what is the next event according to preterists thinking and doctrine.

Please be specific

Thanks

David

David,

Here's the future as I, an orthodox preterist, understand it:

1. We and Christ keep on reigning for a while.
2. Satan is loosed and does his thing.
3. Christ bodily returns to earth.
4. Bodily resurrection of all people, past and present
5. Satan thrown into the lake of fire.
6. Judgement of all people, past and present.
7. Eternal state.

Putin, huh? Was that part of some Bible Code thing, or something? I don't seem to recall his name in scripture. I think it's kind of dangerous to play those games. I think Hal Lindsey said something about Christ coming by the year 1985, or something like that. Events are one thing, but I don't believe we should try labeling current people to them. For all you know, it could be me. Bwah ha ha!

I would say something like Jesus is the prince who made the covenant and put an end to sacrifice and grain offerings and the Beast was the Roman Empire/Nero, but that would all be in the past so I just won't mention any of that.

Popeye:
David,

Here's the future as I, an orthodox preterist, understand it:

1. We and Christ keep on reigning for a while.
2. Satan is loosed and does his thing.
3. Christ bodily returns to earth.
4. Bodily resurrection of all people, past and present
5. Satan thrown into the lake of fire.
6. Judgement of all people, past and present.
7. Eternal state.

Putin, huh? Was that part of some Bible Code thing, or something? I don't seem to recall his name in scripture. I think it's kind of dangerous to play those games. I think Hal Lindsey said something about Christ coming by the year 1985, or something like that. Events are one thing, but I don't believe we should try labeling current people to them. For all you know, it could be me. Bwah ha ha!

I would say something like Jesus is the prince who made the covenant and put an end to sacrifice and grain offerings and the Beast was the Roman Empire/Nero, but that would all be in the past so I just won't mention any of that.

Popeye, you call that a timeline?



Just kidding, excellent post. I think that you just gave an "easy to comprehend" timeline of Revelation. That is far easier to understand than any DF timeline I have ever seen. (and I have seen quite a few). Preterist don't have fancy timelines because we don't need fancy timelines.

Excellent summation of the orthodox preterits position (although number 5 varies depending on if you are premill or amill).

I know what you mean about Hal Lindsey too. I used read all of his books. Now I know better.