This is for those that were premil but now hold to a different eschatological view. Can you please describe the path you took and the major turning points that caused your change of mind?

Hi Tim,
I may be misunderstanding what you mean by premil, but I was a pretrib rapture/futurist before becoming a Partial Preterist. Does For me, the change began when I realized that there really is no verse that supports a pretribulation rapture. The one most commonly attributed as such is 1 Thess.4. But the timing set forth in Revelation 20 seems to put the first resurrection after armageddon (and therefore after the tribulation). I can't reconcile a first resurrection happening both as a pretribulation rapture and a post armageddon resurrection. Logically, it must be one or the other.

LJ

I was fortunate, my dad, following over twenty years as DF pastor ,began questioning the system and led the way out of the wilderness.

Originally posted by timspong

This is for those that were premil but now hold to a different eschatological view. Can you please describe the path you took and the major turning points that caused your change of mind?

In reading the Bible, I found several plain verses that clearly contradicted premill and no matter how far and wide I searched and tried, they couldn't be reconciled [1]. My process of kicking premill to the curb was painful, had a detour into heresy, and took a long time. There are members here who had seen me make the journey. JPHolding met me while I was still premill.

[1]I started questioning premill before I started questioning futurism. In other words, the force of 1 Corinthians 15 hit me way before Matthew 24:34 did.

Originally posted by timspong

This is for those that were premil but now hold to a different eschatological view. Can you please describe the path you took and the major turning points that caused your change of mind?

I started for me when I realized that for all pre-mills like to scream about how the Bible, and in particular the book of Revelation should be interperated 'literally.' They were more than happy to take some verses(such as Rev. 13) as symbolic, or mostly symbolic. Every time I asked about this I could never get a straight foreward answer.

Then I found JP's articles on eschatology and later dee dee's site, that provided a consistant way to read biblical prophecy that actually makes sense.

Thank you for the compliment, that means a lot to me. I am always so blessed when I see how my efforts have helped people. A few months ago the co-host of The Narrow Mind said that my site was hands down the best resource for preterism on the Net. I was so honoured.

Originally posted by Darth Xena

Thank you for the compliment, that means a lot to me. I am always so blessed when I see how my efforts have helped people. A few months ago the co-host of The Narrow Mind said that my site was hands down the best resource for preterism on the Net. I was so honoured.

Your welcome. Quite frankly the more I learned about preterism the more sense it made to me and the less sense futerism did.

Originally posted by Sir-Think-A-Lot

Your welcome. Quite frankly the more I learned about preterism the more sense it made to me and the less sense futerism did.

I gave a presentation for Applachian State University last week, and at the end the teacher said after silence when asking if the class had any questions or challenges "Isn't someone going to defend Tim LaHaye" and a gal spoke up and said, "All I have to say is that this makes more sense than anything else I have heard."

I signed up to TWeb. It took about 2 and a half years for me to embrace Preterism. Why could Matt 24 not speak to it's original audience and how on earth was a letter addressed to 7 churches in Asia about events that are supposed to take place thousands of years later? The truth is I was addicted to "prophecy" and actually was quite caught up with idea of "working out Revelation". Then I discovered psalm singing and now that I do that every day with the kids the pre mill view seems absurd. Jesus did everything the OT said He would.

Originally posted by timspong

This is for those that were premil but now hold to a different eschatological view. Can you please describe the path you took and the major turning points that caused your change of mind?

My perspective was premillennial until (sometime during the 1980s) I went through a process of marinating my mind in the Greek texts of Jesus' sayings, reading and re-reading them over and over again -- all the while praying earnestly that God would help me disabuse my mind of my own presuppositions as well as those of others.

Originally posted by gooner

I signed up to TWeb. It took about 2 and a half years for me to embrace Preterism. Why could Matt 24 not speak to it's original audience and how on earth was a letter addressed to 7 churches in Asia about events that are supposed to take place thousands of years later? The truth is I was addicted to "prophecy" and actually was quite caught up with idea of "working out Revelation". Then I discovered psalm singing and now that I do that every day with the kids the pre mill view seems absurd. Jesus did everything the OT said He would.

Gooner used to be one of my debate opponents regularly on another forum.

For me it was the last trumpet of 1 Corinthians 15:52 and the first resurrection in Revelation, both these contradict a pre-mill rapture. I suppose I also should say I also am not a preterist, just someone who believes the church will need to discern who is the antichrist. Well, Paul did say something like that, in a letter to Gentiles...

Blessings,
Lee

you are a little flame guy - come on

Xena, your post was apparently addressed to Tim's post, but do you mean this little flame guy? Glad to discuss preterism if appropriate, though as I recall I have discussed this with Xena before...

Blessings,
Lee

Umm I was referring to your avatar.

Originally posted by timspong

This is for those that were premil but now hold to a different eschatological view. Can you please describe the path you took and the major turning points that caused your change of mind?

well, Left Behind tended to be popular reading among many in my church (still is, to the extent of my knowledge...and i still haven't finished either of the first two books.)

i was pretty much swallowing most of the ideas, mainly because i didn't know of many other interpretations.

however, i got rather suspicious of such things as the rapture when i couldn't find anything that really said much about it in Revelation.

at this point, i was leaning more towards what i would now call a post-trib futurist interpretation (which had nothing to do w/ the wackos at Waco, btw) once again, because i had no framework other than futurism to work with.

last year, due to the recommendation of a good friend of mine who happens to be an Eastern Orthodox preterist, i came across JPH and DDW's articles on preterism...and i was struck by the fact that they MADE COMPLETE SENSE.

and so...here i am today, telling you how i became an orthodox preterist.

my five cents...take 'em for what they're worth.