Originally posted by blackapologist

Have you heard the discoveries of human and dinosaur bones in the same sedimentary layer? This is good evidence for creation.

No, I haven't. If true, this would be strong evidence against the timelines conventionally used by scientists.

Can you tell us what you heard, and where? A reference, perhaps?

Thanks -- Sylas

Originally posted by blackapologist

Have you heard the discoveries of human and dinosaur bones in the same sedimentary layer? This is good evidence for creation.

Calaveras man in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

Sorry, blackapologist, but even AiG acknowledges these are frauds. Check out their page:

Arguments we think creationists should NOT use

“The Castenedolo and Calaveras human remains in ‘old’ strata invalidate the geologic column.”

These are not sound examples—the Castenedolo skeletal material shows evidence of being an intrusive burial, that is, a recent burial into older strata, since all the fossils apart from the human ones had time to be impregnated with salt. The Calaveras skull was probably a hoax planted into a mine by miners.

Originally posted by lao tzu

Calaveras man in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

Sorry, blackapologist, but even AiG acknowledges these are frauds. Check out their page:

Arguments we think creationists should NOT use

“The Castenedolo and Calaveras human remains in ‘old’ strata invalidate the geologic column.”

These are not sound examples—the Castenedolo skeletal material shows evidence of being an intrusive burial, that is, a recent burial into older strata, since all the fossils apart from the human ones had time to be impregnated with salt. The Calaveras skull was probably a hoax planted into a mine by miners.

Perhaps it is the so-called Moabite Man or Malachite Man which by every indication was Native American burials in soft sand rather than embedded in the sandstone sediment, yet they occasionally still pop up on some YEC websites. They’re described as being Cretaceous. Or perhaps the supposed mantracks at Paluxy?

Lao tzu:

I love this line!

... so that if they had been left by canines, then they must have been canines that were eating humans (or humans eating the canines), which doesn't change the conclusion that people lived there 14,300 years ago.

I guess "Man bites dog!" is still news, no matter how long ago it took place...

Beyond the fact that I've been persuaded (by Evo-Devo types like Sean Carroll) that, in some ways, genomes are (or contain, or may be usefully analogized to) fossils, there may be no good reason to place this here.

And several good reasons not to...

Nonetheless, and just because I'm too lazy to hunt up or start a more-appropriate thread, I'll note that some University of Washington researchers have further refined and extended work on the human genome:

A nationwide consortium led by the University of Washington in Seattle has completed the first sequence-based map of structural variations in the human genome, giving scientists an overall picture of the large-scale differences in DNA between individuals. The project gives researchers a guide for further research into these structural differences, which are believed to play an important role in human health and disease. The results appear in the May 1 issue of the journal Nature.


The project involved sequencing the genomes of eight people from a diverse set of ethnic backgrounds: four individuals of African descent, two of Asian descent, and two of European background. The researchers created what's called a clone map, taking multiple copies of each of the eight genomes and breaking them into numerous segments of about 40,000 base pairs, which they then fit back together based on the human reference genome. They searched for structural differences that ranged in size from a few thousand to a few million base pairs. Base pairs are one of the basic units of information on the human genome.

"There is a perception that the human genome is essentially completely understood," explained the project's leader, Dr. Evan Eichler, UW associate professor of genome sciences and an investigator for the Howard Hughes Medical Institute. "The sequences we have identified range in size from a few thousand to hundreds of thousands of base pairs, and are not part of the published human genome reference sequence. We found that many of these are highly variable in copy and content between individuals. This represents uncharted territory that can now be examined in more detail to determine the function of these new segments of the human genome with respect to disease and gene activity."

(My bolding.)
Cool stuff.

In another thread sylas made reference to a fossilized jaw from an ancient type of platypus, Steropodon galmani, being made of opal. That reminded me of the amoeba-like organisms called agglutinated foraminifera uncovered in the Umbria-Marche basin in eastern Italy which covered themselves with microscopic diamonds no more than 10 micrometers or microns (0.0003937”) across made as a result of the asteroid impact off of present-day Mexico which is thought to have wiped out the dinosaurs approximately 65 mya. The extreme pressure and temperatures resulting from the impact at Chicxulub caused the formation of the tiny diamonds as it crushed and heated graphite rock, though some of the jewels were created from the carbon carried in the asteroid itself. Such impact diamonds aren’t all that rare and have been found in the vicinity of several craters.

The single-celled creatures made their own body armor by attaching grains of sediment from the ocean floor. The lead researcher of the team that collected the fossils, geologist Michael Kaminski of University College London declared that “the foraminifera were deliberately using extraterrestrial diamonds in their shells” because they are the most dense. Besides providing protection the heavier diamond grains allow the organisms to sink and stay on the bottom of the ocean. Scientists have no idea how these creatures were able to pick out the densest grains, an ability they share with their modern descendants.


Further Reading:

Sea creatures had a thing for bling

Fossils found coated in diamonds

A couple of small fossil fragments found after a kindergarten was demolished in Germany has created a bit of a buzz because it helps to fill a 70 million year gap in the evolutionary history in the phylum of marine animals known as echinoderms, known for their protective spiny skin. The fossil is that of a carpoid, the common name for several extinct classes of unusual primitive echinoderms that lack any radial symmetry (modern echinoderms include sea lilies, sea urchins and starfish), and is dated at about 360 myo. Before its chance discovery by an amateur paleontologist no carpoids had been found which lived between 320 to 390 mya. The pieces of the creature’s shell and fore end measure up to 1.2cm (0.47”) and were uncovered in the city of Wuppertal, in the North Rhine-Westphalia, the western-most state in Germany bordering the Netherlands and Belgium. A geologist with the Rhineland local authority, Hans Martin Weber, identified the fragments and said that he believes that the rock they were found in was once silt at the bottom of a tropical sea in which the dead creature became embedded. Weber added that the site had been familiar to fossil hunters for a century and was surprised that nobody had seen the echinoderm before.

Further Reading:

Missing Link Found in German Rock Alters Fossil Record

In a museum on the Isle of Mors in Jutland, Denmark, paleontologists have uncovered the 55 myo fossil remains of parrots dug up from a nearby quarry a couple of years earlier. Reported in the current issue of the journal Palaeontology, the fossils indicate that parrots once lived at what is now Norway and Denmark. Presently parrots live only in the tropics and southern hemisphere, but this new research, indicates that they first evolved in the North, much earlier than previously thought. Indeed, it represents the oldest and most northerly convincing remains of a parrot ever to have been discovered. No fossil parrot older than 15 myo has been found in the Southern Hemisphere, so this new evidence suggests that parrots evolved in the Northern Hemisphere before diversifying further South in the tropics at a later date.

The parrot is a new species with the official name of Mopsitta tanta, but it had already been nicknamed the “Danish Blue Parrot,” after a famous sketch by Monty Python in 1969 about a “Norwegian Blue Parrot.” This connection has been what has caught the media’s attention – primarily the British press.

As Dr. David Waterhouse, who made the discovery in 2005 while he was a PhD student at University College Dublin and is currently Assistant Curator of Natural History at Norfolk Museums and Archaeology Service, and the paper’s lead author, explains: “Obviously, we are dealing with a bird that is bereft of life, but the tricky bit is establishing that it was a parrot. As with many fragile bird fossils, it is a wonder that anything remains at all, and all that remains of this early Danish parrot is a single upper wing bone (humerus). But, this small bone contains characteristic features that show that it is clearly from a member of the parrot family, about the size of a Yellow-crested Cockatoo.” The humerus is 6cm (2.36”) long. Waterhouse continues: “It isn’t as unbelievable as you might at first think that a parrot was found so far north. When Mopsitta was alive, most of Northern Europe was experiencing a warm period, with a large shallow tropical lagoon covering much of Germany, South East England and Denmark. We have to remember that this was only 10 million years after the dinosaurs were wiped out, and some strange things were happening with animal life all over the planet.”

This particular parrot, however, would never have “pined for the fjords”, as Michael Palin’s indignant shopkeeper insisted in the Python skit being that the fjords of Norway were formed during the last Ice Age making them less than a million years old, whereas Mopsitta was from 55 mya.

Further Reading:

Parrot Fossil 55 Million Years Old Discovered In Scandinavia

Monty Python’s ‘dead parrot’ once lived after all

Monty Python's dead parrot did exist

NORWEGIAN BLUE PARROT REALLY DID EXIST - BUT NOW THEY ARE ALL 'STIFF, BEREFT OF LIFE AND EX-PARROTS'

Norway once had parrots.. and they may even have been blue


Dead parrot skit by Monty Python on You-tube

Originally posted by rogue06

NORWEGIAN BLUE PARROT REALLY DID EXIST - BUT NOW THEY ARE ALL 'STIFF, BEREFT OF LIFE AND EX-PARROTS'

I love it.

Seriously... I love it. It's great when some odd association like this can get a a bit of wider interest in such discoveries.

Cheers -- Sylas

I like Palin's response:

"Told yesterday about the Blue's discovery, Michael Palin chuckled, saying: "It just shows that nothing is original.""

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, put some actual dinosaur fossils in the hands of a believer in a young earth and watch them compartmentalize. A few years back in the parking lot of my church I was showing a few members a 70 myo section of Spinosaurus jaw with teeth that I had just obtained and even the staunch YECs were calling their kids over to take a look and describing it to them as being 70 myo. Something like this may have happened when a man found the fossilized remains of a Mosasaur, an aquatic reptile which co-existed with dinosaurs, in a creek near Dallas.

Garland man finds fossil of mosasaur in Duck Creek

Charles Amyx had seen fossils in museums, but he didn't buy into the notion that dinosaurs ever existed.

"How can these be 3 million years old?" he asked, citing his belief that the world is much younger.

But the 62-year-old school bus driver has no doubt that the mosasaur bones he unearthed in the river bottom behind his Garland home are something special. Members of the Dallas Paleontological Society agree.




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Mr. Amyx still is off with his estimate for how old the fossils are, but it appears that he is starting to learn. At least he now realizes that they're real

Originally posted by rogue06

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, put some actual dinosaur fossils in the hands of a believer in a young earth and watch them compartmentalize. A few years back in the parking lot of my church I was showing a few members a 70 myo section of Spinosaurus jaw with teeth that I had just obtained and even the staunch YECs were calling their kids over to take a look and describing it to them as being 70 myo. Something like this may have happened when a man found the fossilized remains of a Mosasaur, an aquatic reptile which co-existed with dinosaurs, in a creek near Dallas.

Garland man finds fossil of mosasaur in Duck Creek

Charles Amyx had seen fossils in museums, but he didn't buy into the notion that dinosaurs ever existed.

"How can these be 3 million years old?" he asked, citing his belief that the world is much younger.

But the 62-year-old school bus driver has no doubt that the mosasaur bones he unearthed in the river bottom behind his Garland home are something special. Members of the Dallas Paleontological Society agree.




Source

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© source where applicable

Mr. Amyx still is off with his estimate for how old the fossils are, but it appears that he is starting to learn. At least he now realizes that they're real

I have enjoyed your thread since it began. It get's you some digital pearls.

Scientists have discovered more than a hundred well-preserved dinosaur fossilized tracks 150 myo that apparently were made by a herd of 11 sauropods and an ornithopod along a coastal mudflat in what today is the Republic of Yemen. Both types of dinosaur were herbivores with the former being the long-necked four-legged giants and the latter a much smaller creature that walked on the two 3-toed feet of its back legs. These are the first dinosaur tracks found on the Arabian peninsula, an area where dinosaur fossils have been extremely rare. Previously, the only things found have been a few isolated bones uncovered in Oman along with fragments possibly from a sauropod in Yemen. It also represents the only multi-taxon dinosaur ichnosite in the Middle East which is also not known for very many dinosaur fossil discoveries.

Mohammed Al-Daheri, local journalist, spotted the ornithopod tracks around 47km (29.2 miles) north of the capital Sana’a near the village of Madar back in 2003. He notified a paleontologist at Sana’a University, Mohammed Al-Wosi, who in turn notified Anne Schulup of the Maastricht Natuurhistorisch Museum in The Netherlands, and Nancy Stevens of Ohio State, who investigated the area of December 2006. During their search they found the nearby sauropod tracks.

After measuring the shape and angle of the different digits of the fifteen 56cm (22”) long ornithopod footprints they were able to determine that the dinosaur was approximately 6-7 meters (19.6-23’) long from head to tail and was walking along at between 3-4kph (1.8-2.5mph). Although ornithopods and sauropods overlapped in time, it’s a tad unusual to find evidence of such a large ornithopod in the Late Jurassic, the epoch that these tracks date from, the researchers explained. It may mean that large ornithopods came along earlier than previously thought – at least in the Southern Hemisphere.

The sauropod tracks were made by both large and small members (presumably young and old) and their spacing indicates they were all strolling along together at roughly 3kph (1.8mph). The longest of these trackways is 16 meters (52.5’) and consists of 16 consecutive footprints.

"It's rare to see such a big example of a dinosaur herd. This is interesting social behavior for reptiles," Schulp said. "I'm really excited by finding out that the whole herd is walking at the same speed, with the younger ones having to walk a bit quicker — making short steps at a higher frequency — and the big ones walking at the same speed with long steps at a lower frequency. It just works out wonderfully well."

All concerned have expressed their confidence that the find will usher in more discoveries in the near future primarily due to an abundance of near-by similarly-aged outcrops in the vicinity. And for both types of tracks discovered the potential exists for uncovering additional tracks by further exposing the layer along the northern edge of the site.

Further Reading:

First Dinosaur Tracks from the Arabian Peninsula Abstract & Paper

First Dinosaur Tracks Discovered On Arabian Peninsula

First dino tracks found in ancient Arabia

Rare Dinosaur Tracks Found on Arabian Peninsula

Frozen in time beneath the desert heat: dinosaur footprints

Originally posted by shunyadragon

I have enjoyed your thread since it began. It get's you some digital pearls.

Thank you. Much appreciated.

Originally posted by rogue06

Scientists have discovered more than a hundred well-preserved dinosaur fossilized tracks 150 myo that apparently were made by a herd of 11 sauropods and an ornithopod along a coastal mudflat in what today is the Republic of Yemen. Both types of dinosaur were herbivores with the former being the long-necked four-legged giants and the latter a much smaller creature that walked on the two 3-toed feet of its back legs. These are the first dinosaur tracks found on the Arabian peninsula, an area where dinosaur fossils have been extremely rare. Previously, the only things found have been a few isolated bones uncovered in Oman along with fragments possibly from a sauropod in Yemen. It also represents the only multi-taxon dinosaur ichnosite in the Middle East which is also not known for very many dinosaur fossil discoveries.

Mohammed Al-Daheri, local journalist, spotted the ornithopod tracks around 47km (29.2 miles) north of the capital Sana’a near the village of Madar back in 2003. He notified a paleontologist at Sana’a University, Mohammed Al-Wosi, who in turn notified Anne Schulup of the Maastricht Natuurhistorisch Museum in The Netherlands, and Nancy Stevens of Ohio State, who investigated the area of December 2006. During their search they found the nearby sauropod tracks.

After measuring the shape and angle of the different digits of the fifteen 56cm (22”) long ornithopod footprints they were able to determine that the dinosaur was approximately 6-7 meters (19.6-23’) long from head to tail and was walking along at between 3-4kph (1.8-2.5mph). Although ornithopods and sauropods overlapped in time, it’s a tad unusual to find evidence of such a large ornithopod in the Late Jurassic, the epoch that these tracks date from, the researchers explained. It may mean that large ornithopods came along earlier than previously thought – at least in the Southern Hemisphere.

The sauropod tracks were made by both large and small members (presumably young and old) and their spacing indicates they were all strolling along together at roughly 3kph (1.8mph). The longest of these trackways is 16 meters (52.5’) and consists of 16 consecutive footprints.

"It's rare to see such a big example of a dinosaur herd. This is interesting social behavior for reptiles," Schulp said. "I'm really excited by finding out that the whole herd is walking at the same speed, with the younger ones having to walk a bit quicker — making short steps at a higher frequency — and the big ones walking at the same speed with long steps at a lower frequency. It just works out wonderfully well."

All concerned have expressed their confidence that the find will usher in more discoveries in the near future primarily due to an abundance of near-by similarly-aged outcrops in the vicinity. And for both types of tracks discovered the potential exists for uncovering additional tracks by further exposing the layer along the northern edge of the site.

Further Reading:

First Dinosaur Tracks from the Arabian Peninsula Abstract & Paper

First Dinosaur Tracks Discovered On Arabian Peninsula

First dino tracks found in ancient Arabia

Rare Dinosaur Tracks Found on Arabian Peninsula

Frozen in time beneath the desert heat: dinosaur footprints

Since I was mentioning dinosaur trackways, I should have added that what is thought to be the longest baby dinosaur track was recently uncovered in Euiseong County, of North Gyeongsang Province, South Korea. It consist of 61 footprints of two baby sauropods dated at approximately 110 mya. This is another multi-taxon dinosaur ichnosite because carnivore tracks have located running alongside them. The young sauropods were estimated at moving at 3-5kph (1.8-3.1mph) while the larger carnivorous dinosaur was estimated at moving at 3-10kph (1.8-6.2mph). According to the National Research Institute of Cultural Heritage, the fossils tracks indicate that it is possible that a number of different carnivorous dinosaurs may have been approaching from different directions but converging toward the baby dinosaurs.

Further Reading:

World Biggest Dinosaur Tracks Found in Korea

World's Longest Baby Dinosaur Track Found in Korea

'Nuther wun cumming up Rogue06:-

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...080522-13.html

Looks like another gap to fill in now.


Regards, Roland