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  April 23rd 2008 , 07:11 AM
 
 
 
 
 
Which one, and why?

 
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  April 23rd 2008 , 08:54 AM
 
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Which one, and why?
I think the question offers only a false dichotomy.

 
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  April 23rd 2008 , 08:55 AM
 
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Well, the question was sort of aimed towards Catholics and Orthodox.

 
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  April 23rd 2008 , 10:14 AM
 
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Steel cage match, MMA, or boxing?

 
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  April 23rd 2008 , 11:45 AM
 
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man, I was kinda enjoying the relative quiet. I kinda dread talking about all the same issues all over again - so I'll just suggest reading some older threads on these issues. You can read my own take on why I ultimately didn't become Eastern Orthodox if you click on the link to my outside blog in my sig.

God bless you on your journey. If you'd like a couple of book or article recommendations from the Catholic point of view, I'd be glad to make a few.

 
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Steel cage match, MMA, or boxing?
More like a cricket match, if you've ever experienced one of those. Long, excessively drawn-out, and utterly tiresome to those who aren't devotees of the sport.

 
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For me, the things that initially enabled me to differentiate between the two were sufficient reasons for me to choose Orthodoxy - namely, the filioque and papal supremacy. The filioque was not added to the Nicene Creed until long after the Council took place, and even then took quite some time to become normative in the West. The East never did agree with papal supremacy, only giving the pope of Rome the honor of "first among equals." It's only when the pope tried to impose the filioque by dictaat that the issue of papal supremacy came to a head and caused the great schism. I also prefer the Orthodox idea of using the laity of the church as a check on leaders who try to impose heretical innovations, and the Orthodox tradition of worship in the vernacular (though it's nice to see the very recent steps by Roman Catholicism in that direction).

 
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More like a cricket match, if you've ever experienced one of those. Long, excessively drawn-out, and utterly tiresome to those who aren't devotees of the sport.
I like cricket.

Maybe there's something in that.

 
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I like cricket.

Maybe there's something in that.
Radically off-topic: When I arrived in London for my semester abroad, I turned on the TV and found a cricket match between England and South Africa. When I turned on the TV a week later...I found a cricket match between England and South Africa! Dang. At least when we turned cricket into baseball we decided the game should be completed in one day.

 
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Catholicism starts with a C. Orthodoxy starts with an O. Duh. That's why. Orthodoxy? O yeah! (Kool-aid guy busts through my wall)
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O yeah! (Kool-aid guy busts through my wall)

 
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  April 24th 2008 , 03:52 AM
 
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Which one, and why?
Orthodoxy. Because it makes Rusty angry.

(On a more serious note...I approve of all that OBP has said already...with the added tidbits of the filioque being an over-enthusiastic addition by former Arians in Toledo as a well-intentioned but entirely unnecessary attempt at exalting Christ's divinity, as well as the "supremacy" of the Roman bishop being primarily due to the fact that he got used to having a wider sphere of influence as the only Apostolic See in the West, after having to face barbarians and heretics without help from the Eastern Empire, as well as being preceded by Abbot-Popes like Gregory I who tried to make the world their monastery.)

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I think the question offers only a false dichotomy.
Not really.

 
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Can we put Pope and EO Patriarhs in one ring... so let the God decide himself! As we know... God has no problem with sizes of the armies, so it will not be dishonest fight in case if God is on the Pope side...

From our... Protestant side we could offer Chuck Norris!

 
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There are so many wonderful things about the Orthodox faith that as a devout Roman Catholic I can only pray that God will forgive us for our separation and pray we will be reunited in due course.

 
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  April 24th 2008 , 10:55 AM
 
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Steel cage match, MMA, or boxing?
It'd have to be boxing. The long Orthodox beards give the Catholics an unfair advantage in MMA.

 
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