Time to start a new year with a whole new set of screwballs from DJ and our friends at Debunking Christianity. We know they're coming!

I just heard Hector Avalos debating Richard Weikart, author of "From Darwin to Hitler" on a radio program and Avalos got his tail cleaned. I decided I'd see if Weikart had said anything more and found this page. Not only did Avalos show up completely unprepared with his style that "I am the enlightened atheist", but keep looking on the comments and see who else made an appearance.

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=1114#comments

Screwball to Jaltus for crashing the TheologyWeb server. It's his fault after all.

i was wondering why i could not get on for 2 days

Originally posted by yeshua121

i was wondering why i could not get on for 2 days

Check the notice or read me file on the top of every board here.

Originally posted by lilpixieofterror

Check the notice or read me file on the top of every board here.

thanks

http://unreasonablefaith.com/2008/12/15/santa-vs-god/

I, uh... corrected the image.



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Um, why are we suggesting they are very similar, again?

(Actually, you might even be able to "X" next to "santa believed in by Children"... depends on your perspective.)

I nominate middlekk. I gave him quotes from atheists who say that the Jesus myth is pure idiocy.

Originally posted by Michael Grant

To sum up, modern critical methods fail to support the Christ myth theory. It has 'again and again been answered and annihilated by first rank scholars.' In recent years, 'no serous scholar has ventured to postulate the non historicity of Jesus' or at any rate very few, and they have not succeeded in disposing of the much stronger, indeed very abundant, evidence to the contrary.

Originally posted by Rudolf Bultmann

Of course the doubt as to whether Jesus really existed is unfounded and not worth refutation. No sane person can doubt that Jesus stands as founder behind the historical movement whose first distinct stage is represented by the Palestinian community.

His response:

Originally posted by an idiot

Wait. You claim no historians think Jesus never existed, and then you provide TWO examples of historians who think Jesus never existed. There are many, many others. Avalos, Carrier, Wells, and on and on and on.

And you very slyly (and deliberately) moved the goalposts from historians to Christian historians. You think I wouldn't notice?

[Self-censored, but I am yelling profanity while typing this] - can't those people even read?!?

After the stupidity I observed on YouTube made me almost suicidal, I checked the "Answering Muslims" blog, where David Wood (who runs it) posted a comment on an entry from another contributor, which contains the same amount of stupidity, but it's far more amusing.
I don't exclude the possibility of brutal sarcasm, but usually that's not David's style.
I nominate it in the category non-christian theist (please notice that I don't noinate David Wood):

Originally posted by David Wood

THIS JUST IN FROM MUSLIM APOLOGISTS:

Allah wanted to abrogate the Verse of Suckling; thus, he sent an inspired goat to eat the evidence. We now have a new category of abrogation. Shall we call it "Abrogation by Eating" or "Goat Abrogation"? How about "abro-goat-ion"?

http://www.tektoonics.com/etc/parody/dec08scr.html

I put the December feature up yesterday. I'll post some poll threads for Platinum today and also note any undisputed awards here.

Emailer nominates this book, The Positive Bible:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/038...SIN=0380791803

I think that http://prime.org is an indisputable platinum.

Originally posted by MetalMark

I think that http://prime.org is an indisputable platinum.

Holy Moley! the guy is the Travelocity Travel Gnome!

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...jL._SS500_.jpg

I'll post more polls tomorrow. Meanwhile here is official notice of Mike Wright getting his special award for either Best Parody or Dumbest Atheist. Highlights:

Several years ago i was explaining to an xian how their illogical belief in the trinity was stolen from plato. They asked me for evidence for this and so after some quick googling I found a reputable historian called Kersey Graves. Did they accept it? No. They ridiculed me and called my source stupid (as you do when you know you've lost a debate) Then more recently I get the xians who tell me hat zeitgeist the movie or wikipedias aren't reliable sources. There really is a worring trend amongst xians to just dismiss my sources as invalid.

So what do xians use as their source? The bible. You know, that book full of talking donkeys, errors and contradictions. Nuff said. Give me kersey graves and wikipedia any day.

This version uses the word whale - you obviously have the church approved version with all the contradictions edited out. The SAB is the more reliable translation...*

Obviously (the Da Vinci Code is a) novel and so there is a lot of fiction in it but in terms of historical facts it's reliable.

Monty Python's life of brian is based on history.

a historian is an expert in history. Rook Hakins is the rational response squad's expert on history

and hat's why dan brown often gets historians coming up to him telling him how factually accurate his books are? Stop reading your narrow band of deluded xian historians.

Are you saying than dan brown is lying when he says lots of historians agree with him? For a start his wife is an art historians and she agrees with him.

does someone hve to have published peer reviewed papers to be a historian? why? who says so?

Baigent and Leigh peer reviewed each others work

[ Alister McGrath is a] "retarded theologian"

Nobody believed that golden plates were hidden in a wood before mormonism so it must be true...it think not. Where id the mormon belief of the golden plates come from? We must also remember that this was a time before TV, nintendo wiis and yhe internet and so people got bored and made up stories of reserected friends for fun.

Well what about robert price - he thinks they ripped of the reserection from pagan myths. now robert price is proberly the top scholar on this subject in the world. As indiana jones is to a good action movie, einstein is to science and mr bean is to comedy Robert Price is to biblical scholarship.


For some strange reason xians seem to think that we cant question their skydaddy as in order to do so we'd have to be a sky daddy. But we can turn that around, if I can think of something I could do better how do we know im not correct. Who says that a sky daddy doesnt have to adhehere to my standards?

did jebus feed 5000 people? Often people ask how jebus fed the 5000 however if the fish was mouldy then nobody would have taken any and thats how there was enough to go around. Or maybe they chopped the fish into 5000 tiny pieces and nobody was that hungry that day. Maybe its a myth and the fish represented star signs. Maybe jebus was the david blaine of his day. Theres all kinds of rational explanations. Let me reply to that one with his style of language, "he uzed teh skydaddy powerz"

Is God a Coke Dealer? Recently god was arrested for dealing drugs. Now xians will say 'oh, this guy was just pretending ti be god' but then how do we know the same isnt true for jebus?
now why does the bible say its wrong to get drunk i think its quite fun really i got drunk and i can still blog intelligent posts des[pite it. horaay those people who belives in stuff dont kow how to have fun

As Richard Dawkins pointed out to John Lennox in their discussion, the fact you believe in the resurrection shows that your an idiot and if your an idiot then your wrong. the resurrection is clearly a myth.

Firstly didnt god get bored before he made the universe, but if god is perfect how did he get bored? But before god had made anything how can god think about anything?

well i'm getting my argumens from some of the greatest thinkers of all times: Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Bertrand Russell, Robert Price, Sam Harris, Brian Sapient etc etc and getting my facts from reliable sources such as Wikipedia

Why does god give some men a bigger penis than others if god loves everyone the same?

Now you seem to argue that pepsi is better than coke however this is clearly not true. I have tasted both and all my friends agree with me. Coke also sells more and is more well know and i drink it. If your judgement on such a simple matter as this is wrong how can we trust you on anything else?

I see, just call anyone who disagrees with you stupid. Ignore the fact most people on IMDB think its a great movie, you must just be more intelligent and knowledgeable than them. How do you know that you arent the stupid one and that the makers of zeitgeist are correct?

I cant imagine that a reputable achdemic such as Jordon Maxwell would be wrong.

If you read the begining of luke is says that many other people have written gospels before luke. Now dont forget that this was a pre computer age when nobody had word processors and so couldnt edit their gospel or use spell checkers so it would take decades to write a gospel.as a result it must be second century.


C S Lewis is often given by gullible xians as one of there most intelligent apologists. Well I thought that today id demonstrate how he was a complete thicko by examing one of his most famous arguments. Namely that narnia could be hidden in a wardrobe.

How big is a wardrobe? 2 meters by 1 meter seems like a good estimate. How big is narnia? thousands of kilometers by thousands of kilometes. So how could a massive place like narnia fit into a tiny wardrobe?

Now some people might jump to C S Lewis defense and claim that he didnt really believe narnia existed however that is not the point. If he couldnt get his maths correct in a story, fictional or not, the how could he anywhere else? And is beliving in a sky daddy and less stupid than beliving narnia is in your wardrobe?

Aparantly JPHolding (Bob Turkel) has written a book called blowing the doors off Now Im not certain how he intended it to be taken however in a world of religious terrorists, crusaders and spanish inquisistions his book could easy be understood as an instruction manual on how to blow doors of things. Now maybe he only meant his book as a joke however will he be laughing when an abortion clicnic bomber buys his book and decides to go around their town blowing the doors of all the atheist houses in there area. I think that people like JP Holding (who is rude and obnoctious anyway) should be encouraging people not to do do terrorism rather than writing books encouraging people to blow doors of buildings.


I often stump the xians who post here on this issue. Here is a new devastating rebutal to the resurection which I recently came across and thought Id share.

When people get up in the morning they are often said to have risen from there sleep. Moreover when someone is fast asleep they are often said to be dead. Thus when people said that jesus is risen they simply meant that jesus woke up from a deep sleep.

My next point is that being crucified is pretty boring. Sometimes they would sing songs like on monty pytons life of brian to keep spirits up however this was not an option when only a few people were crucified. Thus jesus got bored being crucified, fell asleep and when he woke up everyone said 'he has risen'

Im not saying that this is definately what happened however a naturalistic explanation always trumps a supernatural explnation