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  August 12th 2009 , 01:37 PM
 
 
 
 
 
I wanted to start a special thread on Stephan Huller, author of The Real Messiah. I am shortly completing my review of it for the E-Block, and this guy is in many ways dishonest and despicable. His thesis is that Mark was actually Marcus Agrippa, and he was enthroned Messiah as a child in Alexandria, Egypt in 37-8 AD (which is also about when Jesus was actually crucified....in Samaria). His centerpiece is a "Throne of St. Mark" -- an alabaster reliquary.

Here's a couple of samples from the review:



[12] The Throne piece, as noted, is Huller’s central proof; he supposes that Agrippa himself sat on it during a coronation ceremony. Every credible source I can find, however, dates this artifact to at least 500 years later than Agrippa’s lifetime. How does Huller get rid of those intervening years?

It’s all quite circular in the end: There is an inscription on the throne that says, “”. According to Huller, this can only be a Jubilee year referred to, and there happened to be one of those in, um, 37 AD when he thinks Agrippa was enthroned, which was also the only Jubilee that happened when Agrippa was actually alive. [12] Therefore we must date this throne to the first century. Unfortunately, he says, we can’t be specific about where the throne was in those intervening 500 years. [166]


[88] It is claimed that the rabbinic Mishnah “has a story of how the ancient sages actually acknowledged Marcus Agrippa as (Messiah)” with reference to the book’s appendix., where Huller provides a long list of authors who supposedly acknowledged Agrippa as the Messiah, but not one quote or specific line reference is given. [238] It appears that Huller is doing all he can to avoid having his work checked.


[172ff, 188f] Huller provides a sometimes esoteric, sometimes strained interpretation of the carvings on St. Mark’s throne to support his thesis, generally begging the question of the historicity of his “Marcus enthroned” scenario to force an interpretation. He finds parallels to Revelation, which admit the obvious answer that the throne’s designs were based on Revelation, but insists that the throne must have come first, because the author of Revelation misread an animal on the throne as a lamb, when it is in fact a ram, “and its horns are clearly visible if anyone takes the trouble to look closely.” From here, Huller re-interprets the scene as that of the ram caught in the bush who subbed in for Isaac.

One looking closely notices, however, that this lamblike figure does not have the large, curved horns of a ram; if there are horns at are – which there may or may not be – they are small, and are just as well representative of the horns of the lamb that stands for Jesus (though he has seven – Rev. 5:6). But even if not, Huller’s reason for the disassociation, that “lambs do not” have horns, is false: Sheep breeding sources that I have consulted indicate that lambs have horns as early as 6 months; see for example http://www.lavenderfleece.com/horns.html here:

Please note that lambs will develop horns at an early age. In our experience homozygous (meaning two genes for horns) horned lambs will show horn development by the time they reach about 10 lbs. The ewe lambs will sometimes have very tiny "nubbins"at birth, which will begin to grow out and be visible by the time they are 20 lbs. or about 2-3 weeks of age. Truly horned sheep do not suddenly develop horns when they are 6 months to a year old. However, polled sheep can develop scurs that can become dangerous by growing back into the skull.

It seems that Huller’s “twenty years” of research did not include any research into animal husbandry.



Here's something especially despicable, though. Huller apparently sent out some sort of robot (or personal slave!) to search out blogs that used the phrase "throne of God" and spammed them all with this:

Hi, I notice that you are discussing the throne of God. We have been led to believe by our ancestors that when Jesus was resurrected he went up to a throne in heaven. However I just read a fascinating book by the New Testament scholar Stephan Huller that in earliest Christianity that the original gospel writer (St. Mark) might have had a physical throne ON THIS EARTH in mind - one which originally sat in Alexandria and which he rediscovered in Venice - see the photos of the object in the Basilica di San Marco which Italian sailors stole from the Church of St. Mark in Alexandria along with the body of St. Mark in 828 AD - see photos of the throne here - http://www.therealmessiahbook.blogspot.com.

The point of Huller's book is that St. Mark was the first Pope and that Jesus ruled 'on his right hand' as he sat on this throne (it is a universally acknowledged - albeit ignored - fact that the title 'Papa' or Pope was originally associated with St. Mark rather than St. Peter and with Alexandria rather than Rome; the bishop of Rome only acquired the title after the fifth century).

I was really fascinated by this book. It wasn't anything like what I had been taught in Sunday school. It really made me think and learn about the language that Jesus and the original gospel writer (St. Mark) spoke.

For instance in Hebrew or Aramaic (the language of Jesus) there would be no way to distinguish the concepts of 'divine throne' or 'heavenly throne' - i.e. it would be easy for white Europeans to get misled or confused (like the Gospels of Matthew and Luke speaking about 'the kingdom of heaven' and 'God' even though the Aramaic would be one and the same).

It is an amazing book and here is some background information on the author http://www.stephanhuller.blogspot.com/

Just thought I would pass this along
For example see http://bloodtippedears.blogspot.com/...t-silence.html

I get the idea that Huller is some sort of freak (well, he does work as a circus acrobat!) who regularly searches the Net a' la DJ for his name, so I'm hoping he'll find this thread and come here for a thrashing.

 
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http://stephanhuller.blogspot.com/20...holarship.html

Errr! He IS like DJ in other ways too...

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And I had to love this:

UPDATE Here is what that fool Bart Ehrman says on the subject (The Text of the New Testament in Contemporary Research p. 77) "[i]n raw chronological terms, the Diatessaron antedates all MSS of the NT, save that tiny fragment of the Gospel of John known as P52." That perfectly demonstrates what we already know i.e. that Ehrman read the fragment AND FURTHERMORE KNEW THAT ALL THE EARLIEST GOSPEL WITNESSES COME FROM THE DIATESSARON (I didn't even mention this earlier) and STILL IN SPITE OF HIS KNOWING THIS Ehrman didn't realize that P52 could well be YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE DIATESSARON PREDATING ALL OTHER MSS. Indeed in light of what he says in the first part of his sentence HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. THE SCALES TIP IN FAVOR OF P52 BEING A DIATESSARON FRAGMENT IN LIGHT OF THE CUMULATIVE EVIDENCE CITED IN HIS TESTIMONY. Why doesn't he recognize the truth standing right in front of his eyes? The polite way of expressing matters - he has been victimized by his brainwashing at the hands of the Irenaean paradigm. The not so polite way of expressing the same idea - yet another big name scholar whose not as smart as he seems.
Huh. Mix of DJ and Johnny Skeptic? I know Huller wanted Ehrman to give his book a positive review, but I don't think that'll happen....

 
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Originally posted by jpholding
There is an inscription on the throne that says, “”.
Succinct inscription.

 
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Succinct inscription.
Dangit. Hadn't typed it in yet.

add in that it says: "The Coronation of Mark and Evangelist of Alexandria" and there is a denotation of a specific year.

 
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DANG! Here's ANOTHER spam message he sent out, this time to blogs that mention the Ark of the Covenant:

Who cares about a fake ‘Ark of the Covenant.’ Stephan Huller has an academic article coming up which proves that this:

http://therealmessiahbook.blogspot.com/

is the original Episcopal throne of Alexandria, mentioned in the Acts of Peter the Patriarch, Origen, Clement and other sources and dated to the first century.

I read the book. I loved it but I want to know what everyone else thinks? I think its very important but I am not an expert.

His blog with additional information is

http://www.stephanhuller.blogspot.com.

Maybe you can tell me if this for real.
What a pathetic creep!

 
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I've said before that I think Acharya S is a con artist, and I think this guy does the same thing: write some wild conspiracy theory and advertise it like mad to rip off suckers who buy into this crap hook, line and sinker (like my dad ).

 
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dang I hope he doesnt get banned as a spammer before he can be tore down here if he joins.

 
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his blog now says:


BUY MY BOOK. SERIOUSLY. WHAT CAN YOU BUY TODAY FOR $5?

I will hold out till he offers to pay me to "buy" it.

 
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what is rather depressing is the horde of misguided that will soon be prattling off this stuff as facts.

 
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BUY MY BOOK.
The Spirit of DJ has taken over.

SERIOUSLY. WHAT CAN YOU BUY TODAY FOR $5?

I will hold out till he offers to pay me to "buy" it.
I get a couple of bagels and hot tea for breakfast for that much Wednesday mornings.

I can buy really good books on Amazon.

I can buy a 12-pack of Green Tea.

I can pay to participate in dollarmania bowling at the bowling alley.

I can buy 2 scoops of peanut butter cookie dough in a waffle cone at Ben and Jerry's.

I could get another chapter in Final Fantasy IV the After Years on the Wii.

Should I go on?

 
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The Spirit of DJ has taken over.



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Should I go on?
You can buy a foot-long sub from Subway!!!!!!

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Say, maybe I should go back to the blogs he spammed and post this:



Hi, I notice that you are spamming people's blogs promoting Stephan Huller's idiotic book. I just read and picked apart his book and found it to be full of half-truths, obfuscations, poor reasoning, and insufficiently documented claims. A bunch of us are discussing Huller's nonsense here:

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...d.php?t=130969

The point of the thread is to expose Huller as the fraud that he is. Huller is a circus performer by trade, and we can believe that, given the sort of gymnastics he uses in the book.

I was really digusted by his book. It wasn't anything like what serious scholars have to offer, which I guess is why he can only get fringe nutcases like Robert Price and Robert Eisenman to endorse it. It really made me think Huller needs some psychotherapy and exposure to serious historical scholarship and critical thinking.

It is a goofy book and it belongs in the trash can.

Just thought I would pass this along



Yeah....I think I'll do that....

 
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Well, I posted to about 10 blogs and may do more tomorrow. Also posted an Amazon review. Let's see if that gets him out of his hole.

 
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that was great.

I bet most of the reviews on amazon are shill accounts he set up himself.

 
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Speaking of shills, it looks like Huller sent Bobby Price to post a positive review to counter mine. Maybe. I'm not sure which came first. But I had some fun and asked Bobby whether he thought Huller would pass peer review in The Journal of Roman Studies. Ought to be funny to see him gyrate.

 
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