Originally posted by wattsr1

Over to someone else..

I must go.


Regards, Roland

Why do you keep repeating yoursel...

Never mind...

Originally posted by Theoferrum

Here are some more dinosaur figurines from people that weren't supposed to know what a dino was.

The Acambaro, Mexico, Figurines Authenticated?

Back in 1925 Waldemar Julsrud discovered the first of what would become known as the Acambaro figurines. Many of them depicted dinosaurs. Obviously, they have never been accepted by conventional archaeology. Their authenticity is generally only supported by “creationists”. In 1993, Stephen Czerkas, writing in geology magazine noted that sauropods may have had spikes on their backs extending from their heads to their tails. Science had previously drawn sauropods as smooth skinned. Julsrud eventually was able to amass 33,000 of them. "The human figures and the animals were frequently portrayed together. Some of the DINOSAUR-LIKE REPTILES appear with women in nonviolent or nonhunting situations, as though they were domestic animals or pets. “While collecting in a Wyoming quarry in 1990, Czerkas uncovered fossilized skin impressions belonging to a new species of dinosaur related to the well-known Diplodocus. The impressions clearly show that the skin was pebbled with large bumps about 3 centimeters in diameter.

http://s8int.com/phile/page54.html

I especially like the figurine at the bottom with the image of a gigantic man's face in its side

Actually there has been an entire thread devoted to these supposed artifacts and the claims made about them, HERE as well as another that covers it and similar depictions HERE.

And personally I've always been fond of this particular 2-legged "dinosaur":

acambaro-dino5.jpg

And this, uh... "pterosaur" of some sort

acambaroPterondon.jpg

Originally posted by Theoferrum

More Tracks - Mastondons and a Giant. Note that, back then, they didn't claim it was a fraud - what do you do with that. A Genuine artifact and recognized as such before they realized it was a slight problem for the dating methods.

Mysterious Tracks in Stone

The Footprints of a Mastodon and a Human Being Believed Imprinted in the Same Rock

Published: August 13, 1882 Copyright © The New York Times The San Francisco Call

Hundreds of footprints of man and animals were discovered in the quarry of the State prison in Carson, Nevada. Scientists came to Carson to make plaster of Paris copies of the tracks of a mastodon and that of an apparently giant individual. After much examination, and after ruling out animals such as the giant sloth and the bear, it was the opinion of Professor Le Conte of the State University of California that the giant tracks were those of a man.

http://s8int.com/phile/page56.html

Even IF this depicts what you claim it is (and considering your track record here...) why is this supposed to be a problem? Mastodons went extinct roughly 10,000 years ago. Some paleontologists think over-hunting by man may be a leading or at least contributory cause for their extinction. So why is it such a shock to see prints of a human near those of mastodons?

Then, of course, there is the ever Popular (popular - get it?) Poly Stratic Trees :

Polystratic trees are fossil trees that extend through several "strata" of rock, sometimes penetrating 20 feet deep. According to evolutionists, a 20 foot deposit of rock would take place slowly and uniformly, over a great many years. However, the tops of such tree trunks would have decayed long before the new rock layers had a chance to surround them.[34] At Katherine Hill Bay, Australia, a fossilized tree can be seen extending over twelve feet, through several sedimentary layers. This tree is testimony to the catastrophic and rapid burial that must have taken place. [10]

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/youngearth.shtml

Picture below compliaments of :

DefendingGenesis.org
with Sirius Knott

http://siriusknotts.wordpress.com/20...ctually-shows/

Originally posted by rogue06

Even IF this depicts what you claim it is (and considering your track record here...) why is this supposed to be a problem? Mastodons went extinct roughly 10,000 years ago. Some paleontologists think over-hunting by man may be a leading or at least contributory cause for their extinction. So why is it such a shock to see prints of a human near those of mastodons?

"The same judgment you judge others with, you are guilty of yourself" - i.e. the track record thing.

The problem is not the two prints together - its the fact that they show up embeded in a strata of rock that is supposedly millions of years old.

""These prints disprove evolutionary theories about rock strata—and reveal it is quite young, and place dinosaurs as living at the same time when people did. The prints also reveal that giants once lived on our planet."

http://s8int.com/phile/page56.html

Creation/Evolution Encyclopedia

Here - this should help you get back on the right track - if not, its your own fault :

Rock Solid Proof of Dinosaur Human Interaction?

The Cretaceous Limestone block contains a human footprint overlaid with a dinosaur print. Photo by Keith Thrash. Click and drag to resize. "In early July, 2000 Alvis Delk, assisted by James Bishop (both of Stephenville, Texas), was working in the Cretaceous limestone on the McFall property at the Paluxy River near Glen Rose, Texas and discovered a pristine human footprint intruded by a dinosaur footprint. This discovery was made in the vicinity of McFall I and II Sites where the Creation Evidence Museum team has excavated since the Spring of 1982. The eleven-inch human footprint matches seven other such footprints of the same dimensions in the “Sir George Series,” named in honor of His Excellency Governor General Ratu Sir George Cacobau of Fiji.

http://s8int.com/phile/page70.html

Originally posted by rogue06

I especially like the figurine at the bottom with the image of a gigantic man's face in its side

Actually there has been an entire thread devoted to these supposed artifacts and the claims made about them, HERE as well as another that covers it and similar depictions HERE.

And personally I've always been fond of this particular 2-legged "dinosaur":

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And this, uh... "pterosaur" of some sort

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I notice you didn't talk about the one that looks exactly like a stegosaurus...

Wow!

Check this one out!

That cliff is a stinking Petrafied Tree Branch!

The Biggest Out of Place Artifacts Ever? Immense, Stupendous Petrified Trees of the Black Hills, South Dakota

Photo: Query: What's the diameter of that tree stump, 25, 30 feet?
Answer"...it is really not a stump. It is actually a very small twig from a larger tree.

"An entire island, 50 x 100 miles, completely petrified. Covered with the petrified remains of a forest of super giants. Trees of incredible/impossible size, destroyed by a cataclysm that collapsed the island itself into the surrounding sea. Having remained secret for all time. Now, this place has decided to make itself known. Here is just the beginning of an astounding photographic documentation of this petrified island. A little glimpse of an entirely unknown condition upon the Earth.

http://s8int.com/phile/page73.html

Antediluvia - ya gotta love it!

Originally posted by Theoferrum

Then, of course, there is the ever Popular (popular - get it?) Poly Stratic Trees :

Polystratic trees are fossil trees that extend through several "strata" of rock, sometimes penetrating 20 feet deep. According to evolutionists, a 20 foot deposit of rock would take place slowly and uniformly, over a great many years. However, the tops of such tree trunks would have decayed long before the new rock layers had a chance to surround them.[34] At Katherine Hill Bay, Australia, a fossilized tree can be seen extending over twelve feet, through several sedimentary layers. This tree is testimony to the catastrophic and rapid burial that must have taken place. [10]

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/youngearth.shtml

Picture below compliaments of :

DefendingGenesis.org
with Sirius Knott

http://siriusknotts.wordpress.com/20...ctually-shows/

I think “polystrate” or upright fossil trees are kind of neat.

Now, the first thing to note is that you are confusing “evolutionists,” who work with biology, with geologists and paleontologists, who work with stones and bones. It is a common mistake in many YEC circles, born of a desire to link of all of the various scientific disciplines that provide the independent lines of evidence attesting to the great age of the Earth or anything else they disagree with in science.

What you fail to understand is that what you are railing against here was worked out before Darwin ever even set sail aboard the “Beagle” much less published his theories decades later, so it wasn’t influenced by Darwin or evolutionary presumptions unless you assume a time machine was involved.

As for the polystrate trees themselves, the “mystery” as to how they form was figured out in the second half of the 19th century, but I guess some folks can’t be expected to keep up with modern thought.

Now, geologists have understood that localized events can lay down a deposit fairly quickly. It is preposterous to contend that, for example, a lava flow from a volcano found in the geologic record took millions of years to be deposited. Likewise, nobody maintains that a single landslide took place over thousands of years. These are ridiculous mischaracterizations of what uniformitarianism proposes.

As can be seen here in this picture of polystrate telephone poles in the Philippines caused by torrential rains washing loose volcanic material down off Mt. Pinatubo, it doesn’t take millions of years for something like this to happen – and neither does it take a global flood.

polystrate.jpg

And polystrates can be seen forming today. For instance, on the eastern shore of Lake Michigan the Sleeping Bear Sand Dunes are known to cover trees ten meters high in just a few years and at Reelfoot Lake in Tennessee, there are some bald cypress trees that have continued growing in the lake since an earthquake submerged them back in 1812.

Glenn Morton (posts here as grmorton) has done some excellent work showing how polystrate trees are forming today in backwater regions along the Mississippi in a manner very similar to what we see in ancient deposits in western Pennsylvania, Eastern Ohio, and Eastern Kentucky.

Further, polystrates also form as land sinks such as the case along the coast of Nova Scotia in several places. Wood buried in such marshes is almost immune to rot and can be buried over the course of decades or centuries without a problem.

And some of the time it is even something like resin that preserves the trees such as in the case of these Norwegian trees dead 500 years that haven’t rotted but still have fresh wood in wet enviro due to resin.

And the fact that in situ forests can be found in the geologic record in many locations with one stacked upon the other makes a single flood being responsible impossible unless there was time for enough time for a forest to get buried and for another forest to grow for many years on top while the flood was taking place. At one location (Specimen Ridge at Yellowstone) there was enough time for over 20 mature fossils to grow one atop the other.



Further Reading:

Polystrate Fossils an OEC Christian view

Polystrate Trees

Polystrate fossil

Originally posted by Theoferrum

Here - this should help you get back on the right track - if not, its your own fault :

Rock Solid Proof of Dinosaur Human Interaction?

The Cretaceous Limestone block contains a human footprint overlaid with a dinosaur print. Photo by Keith Thrash. Click and drag to resize. "In early July, 2000 Alvis Delk, assisted by James Bishop (both of Stephenville, Texas), was working in the Cretaceous limestone on the McFall property at the Paluxy River near Glen Rose, Texas and discovered a pristine human footprint intruded by a dinosaur footprint. This discovery was made in the vicinity of McFall I and II Sites where the Creation Evidence Museum team has excavated since the Spring of 1982. The eleven-inch human footprint matches seven other such footprints of the same dimensions in the “Sir George Series,” named in honor of His Excellency Governor General Ratu Sir George Cacobau of Fiji.

http://s8int.com/phile/page70.html

This obvious fake was discussed in detail on This Thread when it first came out.

More Carl Baugh B.S.

Originally posted by Theoferrum

I notice you didn't talk about the one that looks exactly like a stegosaurus...

So much woo, so little time

Originally posted by Theoferrum

And, one might ask, how did ancient man know what a Stegosaurus looked like?

Most Enigmatic Artifact?

And now we come to one of the most important pieces of Tolone’s collection. One that will receive the closest scrutiny and interrogation by experts--and for which the collector has been quite emphatic of its authenticity,- a terracotta statue of of approximately 18 cm of length representing one strange dinosaur/sauropod with plates on its back. No type of salamander or lizard like this species is currently known, that has similar plates, but-- it is possible to take up any handbook on paleontology and it becomes clear immediately that the animal represented in the sculpture belongs to a species of stegosaur,-- a species of dinosaur with plates on its back;-- that scientists assert became extinct approximately 65 million years ago.

http://www.s8int.com/page39.html

Aside from the fact that it is missing tail spikes and the legs appear to have stuck out from the side like an aquatic animal, like flippers or something, I guess it resembles a Stegosaur – an aquatic stegosaur. Not very impressive IMHO.

Originally posted by Theoferrum

You don't know much about drilling granite, do you?

I know quite a bit about slurry and diamond cutting methods. Designed a few machines that did such.

Originally posted by Theoferrum

Why do you keep repeating yoursel...

Never mind...

You were the one who wrote that he had to go:-

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...&postcount=131

then you continued to post straight afterwards.

I wrote that I must go (for the first time in this thread I believe), and you will notice, by the posting times that I went away for some 4 hours.

So in what sense am I repeating myself?

Oh never mind ...


Regards, Roland

Originally posted by Theoferrum

I notice you didn't talk about the one that looks exactly like a stegosaurus...

I notice that you did not address my question to you about geological and fossilization processes ensuring that millions of intermediate species must necessarily survive in the fossil record:-

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...&postcount=140


Regards., Roland

Originally posted by Theoferrum

3) What claim might that be?

That God poofed the factory into existence yesterday morning so that your thousands of years old disk could in fact, be made yesterday afternoon (with the Flood possibly occurring in the evening).


Regards, Roland