Originally posted by Theoferrum

I've seen the Hammer in the Rock and it throws their words right out the window.

1. Where did you see it and when?
2. Gary Kuban actually studied the hammer and concluded it wasn't an OOPART, but because you claim to have seen it, you feel you're more of an expert on the subject?

Originally posted by Theoferrum

Forbidden Archeology :

Michael Cremo is a well known crank. Also, you do realize that he does not claim that the age of the Earth is incorrect, but that humans have been inhabiting it for billions of years right?

Let me be more clear on this - he thinks scientifically determined ages are correct. He thinks that humans have been around for billions of years. Are you sure you want to hitch yourself to his wagon?

Originally posted by Theoferrum

Perhaps you should explain what a man made hammer with wooden handle embeded in cretaceus does to you comparative dating methods of tree rings and ice core samples.

According to Michael Cremo, it does nothing since he agrees the Earth is billions of years old. He merely contends that humans have been living on it all that time. Are you sure you want to hitch yourself to his wagon?

Originally posted by Theoferrum

[i]"This coinlike object, from a well boring near Lawn Ridge, Illinois, was reportedly found at a depth of about 114 feet below the surface (Winchell 1881, p. 170). According to information supplied by the Illinois State Geological Survey, the deposits containing the coin are between 200,000 and 400,000 years old."

(bold mine)

Why are so many Fortean OOPART claims from the 1800s and early 20 Century? If they're so common as believers claim them to be, why aren't we still finding them today?

Originally posted by USIncognito

Why are so many Fortean OOPART claims from the 1800s and early 20 Century? If they're so common as believers claim them to be, why aren't we still finding them today?

CIA black helicopters are scooping them up and hiding them with Adam's body

Originally posted by rogue06

CIA black helicopters are scooping them up and hiding them with Adam's body

I take it they're placed in the same warehouse as the Ark of the Covenant?

Originally posted by Nicholas

I take it they're placed in the same warehouse as the Ark of the Covenant?

NTK only. Sorry.

Originally posted by USIncognito

Not gonna happen . If we go by Theoferrum's Adam's body thread, a secret NGS recovery mission will grab it and hide it in the basement of the Smithsonian.

Actually in the Museum the built in Suitland just after this...

Originally posted by USIncognito

1. Where did you see it and when?
2. Gary Kuban actually studied the hammer and concluded it wasn't an OOPART, but because you claim to have seen it, you feel you're more of an expert on the subject?

If it was not an Out Of Place Artifact then that means he concluded it was part of the host strata and means he is saying the same thing I am - a man made hammer found in a chunk of 100 Million year old Cretaeous Rock with a handle that has still not petrafied or rotted away all of which proves the man made dating methods are off by billions of years because they do not take into account the "apparent age" of creation.

Originally posted by USIncognito

Michael Cremo is a well known crank. Also, you do realize that he does not claim that the age of the Earth is incorrect, but that humans have been inhabiting it for billions of years right?

Let me be more clear on this - he thinks scientifically determined ages are correct. He thinks that humans have been around for billions of years. Are you sure you want to hitch yourself to his wagon?

Exactly what do you mean when you say he is a "known crank"? He is guilty of fraud? Did he fake the artifacts he presents? If not then nothing changes the facts that he presents - anomalous artifacts found in billion year old strata - that is a fact - which I notice you don't want to address.

His Theory is that of alien seeding million or billion of years ago because he does not realize that the man made dating methods are off by billions of years.

The Artifacts are Facts - his conclusions are theory.

Apparently you people would rather defame the messengers instead of dealing with the facts.

Originally posted by USIncognito

According to Michael Cremo, it does nothing since he agrees the Earth is billions of years old. He merely contends that humans have been living on it all that time. Are you sure you want to hitch yourself to his wagon?


(bold mine)

Why are so many Fortean OOPART claims from the 1800s and early 20 Century? If they're so common as believers claim them to be, why aren't we still finding them today?

Exactly what difference does it make when they were found, first off, for they are still facts that the establishment ignores because it destroys the man made dating methods and evolution with it.

And, how do you know they are not still being found?

See my next post...

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Originally posted by Theoferrum

This aught to stir up some debate.

Young earthers have no problem accepting the many anomalous artifacts that have been found, like man made objects found in coal, shale, and other 'million year old' strata, yet these facts are ignored by Evolutionists and many 'old earthers'.

A metal sphere found in a 3 Billion Year old chunk of Precambrian Strata and Letters found in a chunk of 500 Million Year old Marble.

And, the kicker, is the man made hammer found embeded in a chunk of Cretaceuas Strata where the handle is still wood and has not petrafied or rotted away.

What sayest the uncle's monkey?

Theoferrum, if I hammer a hammer into your head, would that mean that you have been born with a hammer in your head?

- FreezBee

Originally posted by Theoferrum

If it was not an Out Of Place Artifact then that means he concluded it was part of the host strata and means he is saying the same thing I am - a man made hammer found in a chunk of 100 Million year old Cretaeous Rock with a handle that has still not petrafied or rotted away all of which proves the man made dating methods are off by billions of years because they do not take into account the "apparent age" of creation.

It wasn’t “part of the host strata.”

The London Hammer: An Alleged Out-of-Place Artifact: Background

Mr. and Mrs. Max Hahn were hiking along the Red Creek near the small town of London, Texas, in June 1936 (or 1934, according to others), when they happened upon a small rock nodule with a piece of wood protruding from it. According to Helfinstine and Roth (1994), Max Hahn's son George broke open the rock nodule in 1946 or 1947, revealing the rest of the hammer, including a metal hammer head. It is important to note that even some creationist accounts (Baugh 1997, Mackay, 1985) acknowledge that the hammer bearing nodule was not attached to the surrounding rocks of the creek. Mackay (1985) explicitly states "The rock was sitting loose on a ledge and was not part of the surrounding ledge." Likewise, creationist David Lines notes that the rock containing the hammer was found "sitting loose on a rock ledge beside a waterfall outside London, Texas."(Lines, 1996).



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Pay special attention to the parts I bolded. You even acknowledge it was found in "a chunk" of rock. Also note that the wooden handled isn’t mineralized and was “protruding” from the loose piece of rock rather than embedded in it. That is a real give away it wasn't buried in "100 Million year old Cretaeous [sic] Rock."

The Human Skull in Ancient Rock - June 1981

"Physical evidence currently exists that proves man inhabited the earth while coal was being formed, shaking the very foundations of who we really are and how we really got here. An assortment of human bones and soft organs, transformed to rock-like hardness, has been discovered between anthracite veins in Pennsylvania.

Since one of the golden rules of geology is that coal was formed during the Carboniferous -- a minimum of 280 million years ago -- it means that man has existed multi-millions of years before the ... insectivore from whom the evolutionists claim we eventually evolved.

However, the scientific establishment has wielded its powerful disdainful influence -- deceit, dishonesty, collusion and conspiracy -- to prevent evidence of the most important discovery of the 20th century to be documented as fact and, therefore, keep us from learning a monumental truth about ourselves." ...Ed Conrad

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Originally posted by rogue06

"The rock was sitting loose on a ledge and was not part of the surrounding ledge." Likewise, creationist David Lines notes that the rock containing the hammer was found "sitting loose on a rock ledge beside a waterfall outside London, Texas."(Lines, 1996).

Gee, maybe aliens imported it from mars, huh.

Yet, regardless of where it came from, it is a manmade hammer embeded in a 100 million year old rock.

Originally posted by rogue06

Also note that the wooden handled isn’t mineralized and was “protruding” from the loose piece of rock rather than embedded in it. That is a real give away it wasn't buried in "100 Million year old Cretaeous [sic] Rock."

The Handle is not embedded - the hammer is.

Clear it up any, homie..