First I would like to thank everyone whom will read this, and I hope it benefits everyone equaly. The information I will provide is from the Watch Tower Orginization ( http://www.watchtower.org ).

Now, The topics I am goin to discuss are:

• Is Jesus realy part of a Trinity?
• Does the Ancient Hebrew scriptures support his existence?
• What was Jesus' role on earth?
• Prayer: Should we pray to Jesus?

These seem to be the most common of threads I see. If you wish to discuss something other then these topics, please start a new thread, or I will not answear them. Please specify the questions to the topic in an orderly fashion, to make it easier on me. If I do not answear right away please be patient, for I have a busy schedule, and would never try to avoid a question.

• Is Jesus realy part of a Trinity?

What is the origin of the Trinity doctrine?

The New Encyclopoedia Britannica says: "Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: "Hear, O Isreal: The Lord our God is one Lord' (Deut. 6:4) . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . By the end of the 4th Century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since." -- (1976), Micropeadia Vol. X, p. 126.

So as we can see, the Secular history obviously understands there isn't a trinity. But what about the Bible? what does it have to say, and what about that all famous John 1:1. Lets open our bibles and examine.

John 1:1 What is the word?

The word is the Bible, the utterence of Jehovah through Prophets.

Ephesians 6:17 Also, accept the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit, that is, Gods' word.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 Indeed, that is why we also thank God incessantly, because when you recieved Gods' word, which you heard from us, you accepted it, not as the word of men, but, just as it truthfuly is, as the word of God, Which is also at work in you believers.

John 1:18 says: "No one has ever seen God." Verse 14 clearly says that "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us...we have beheld his glory." Also, in verses John1:1,2 say that in the beginning he was "with god." Can one be with someone and at the same time be that person? At John 17:3, Jesus addresses the Father as "The only true God"; so, Jesus as "a god" merely reflects his Father's divine qualities.

Hebrews 1:3 He is the reflection of [his] glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power; and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the majesty in lofty places.

So how did Jesus view himself in comparisen of his father Jehovah? (Mark 10:18; John 17:3)

John 14:28 YOU heard that I said to YOU, I am going away and I am coming [back] to YOU. If YOU loved me, YOU would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am

John 5:17-19 But he answered them: “My Father has kept working until now, and I keep working.”_On this account, indeed, the Jews began seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath but he was also calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God.
_Therefore, in answer, Jesus went on to say to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want YOU to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God

If intreasted on further information on the Trinity, please go to http://www.watchtower.org/library/ti/index.htm

• Does the Ancient Hebrew scriptures support his existence?

This is an important topic, cause all those confessing to the christian faith should know the roots of their Savoiur "Christ" and why he was the Messiah. First lets observ his Birth Date.

Jesus' lineage lays in the first basis for identifying him as the promised messiah. Jehovah had told his servent Abraham that the promised seed whould come from his family. Abrahams son Isaac, Isaac's son Jacob, and Jacobs son Judah each received a similar promise (Genesis 22:18; 26:2-5; 28:12-15; 49:10) The line of the Messiahs descent was narrowed down centuries later when King David was told that his family line would produce this One. (Psalm 132:11; Isaiah 11:1, 10) The Gospel accounts of Matthew and Luke confirm that Jesus came through that family line (Matthew 1:1-16; Luk 3:23-38) Though Jesus had many bitter enemies, none of them challened his well-publicized line of descent. (Matthew 21:9, 15) CLearly, the, his lineage is beyond question. However, the Jews' family records were destroyed when the Romans sacked jerusalem in 70 C.E. in later times, no one could ever prove a claim to be promised Messiah.

Fulfilled prophecy is a second line of evidence, SCores of Hebrew Scriptures prophecies describe various aspects of the Messiah's life course. In the eight century B.C.E., the prohpet Micah fortold that this great ruler would be born in the insignigicant town of Bethlehem. Two towns in Israel were named Bethlehem, but this prophecy specified which one: Bethlehem Ephrathah, where King David had been born. (Micah 5:2) Jesus' parents, Joseph and Mary, lived in Nazareth, some 90miles north of Bethlehem. While Mary was pregnant, however, the Roman ruler Caesar Augustus ordered all the people to register in their home cities. So Joseph had to take his pregnant wife to bethlehem, when Jesus was born.-- Luke 2:1-7

In the sixth Century B.C.E., the prophet Daniel fortold that "Messiah the Leader" would appear 69 "weeks" after the order went forth to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. (Daniel 9:24,25) Each one of these "weeks" was 7 years long.* According to the bible and secular history, the order to rebuild Jerusalem was issued in 455 B.C.E. (Nehemiah 2:1-8) So the Messiah was to appear 483 (69 times 7) years after 455 B.C.E. That brings is to 29 C.E., the very year that Jehovah anointed Jesus with Holy Spirit. jesus thus became "the Christ" (Meaning Annointed One"), or Messiah.--Luke 3:15,16,21,22.

Of course, not everyone accepted Jesus as the promised Messiah, and the Scriptures had fortold this. as recorded at Psalm 2:2, King David was divinely inspired to foretell: "The kings of earth take their stand and high officals themselves have massed together as one against Jehovah and against his anointed one."This prophecy suggested that leaders from more that one land would unite in order to attack Jehovahs' Anointed One, or Messiah. And so it was. The Jewish religious leaders, King Herod, and the Roman governor Pontius Pilate all played a part in having Jesus put to death. Former enemies Herod and Pilate became fast friends from then on. (Matthew 27:1,2; Luke 23:10-12; Acts 4:25-28) for Further proof that Jesus was Messiah, please see the companying chart entitled "Some Outstanding Messianic Prophecies."

* The ancient Jews commonly thought in terms of weeks of years. For instance, just as every 7th day was a sabbath day, every 7th year was a sabbath year.-- Exodus 20:8-11;23:10,11.

------------------------------------[Some Outstanding Messianic Prophecies]------------------------------------
His early life
Isiah 7:14 - Born of a Virgin - Matthew 1:18-23
Jerimiah 31:15 - Babes killed after his birth - Matthew 2:16-18

His ministry
Isiah 61:1,2 - His commision from God - Luke 4:18-21
Isiah 9:1,2 - Ministry caused people to see great light - Matthew 4:13-16
Psalm 69:9 - Zealous for Jehovahs house - John 2:13-17
Isaiah 53:1 - Not believed in - John 12:37,38
Zechariah 9:9; Psalm 118:26 - Entry into Jerusalem on colt of an ass; hailed as King and as the one coming in Jehovahs name. - Matthew 21:1-9

His Betrayal and Death
Psalm 41:9;109:8 - One apostle unfaithful; betrays Jesus and is later replaced - acts 1:15-20
Zechariah 11:12 - Betrayed for 30 pieces of silver - Matthew 26:14,15
Psalm 27:12 - False witnesses used against him - Matthew 26:59-61
Psalm 22:18 - Lots cast for his garments - John 19:23,24
Isaiah 53:12 - Numbered with sinners - Matthew 27:38
Psalm 22:7,8 - Reviled while dying - Mark 15:29-32
Isiah 53:5; Zechariah 12:10 - Pierced - John 19:34,37
Isaiah 53:9 - Buried with the rich - Matthew 27:57-60
Psalm 16:8-11 - Raised before corruption - Acts 2:25-32;13:34-37
------------------------------------[Some Outstanding Messianic Prophecies]------------------------------------
Taken from the WatchTower orginizations book Knowledge that leads to everlasting life Chapter 4; pg 34-36

• What was Jesus' role on earth?

He simply did his fathers will (John 5:30; John 7:16),

John 8:12 Therefore Jesus Spoke again to them, saying: "I am the light of the world.* He that follows me by no means walk in darkness.# But will possess the light of life.%

* By saying this, he simply means he was the messiah, the repurchaser for our lifes. (Acts 20:28; Galatians 4:4,5; Hebrews 2:9)

# Faith needs to be followed up by works. (James 2:17-26; 1:22-25). But what works? Jesus gave the example, and tought us how to live a Christain life, so as to NOT be led into darkness.
First of which was taken in an Accurate knowledge of the bible. (Matthew 4:11; 1Timothy 2:4; Phippians 1:9; 2Timothy 3:7 )
Second is to be baptized. (Matthew 3:13-17; Acts 10:1-48)
Third is to carry out the work of our Father Jehovah (Matthew 4:17 24:14; Mark 13:10; Luke 4:43)
And of course one should always pray to Jehovah for forgivness, thanks, and for what we need (not what we want) in Jesus' name (1John 5:14,15; John 14:6,13,14; 2Corintians 1:20)
so it is safe to say anyone walking in his path will not walk in darkness, or purposely commit sins.

% And if you have exercised faith that jesus did die for our sins, and you did Jehovahs will, your gift will be eternal life on a paradise earth, (titus 1:2; John 10:27,28; John 11:25,26) or for the annointed, heaven. (Revelations 14:1,4; 7:2-4; 5:9,10)

• Prayer: Should we pray to Jesus?

Should You Pray to Jesus?

SOME people consider it proper to pray to Jesus. In Germany many have been taught as children that before their meals they should fold their hands and thank Jesus Christ.

According to the Bible, Jesus indeed occupies a very high position in heaven. Does that, however, mean that we should pray to him? You may be among those who, out of love for Jesus, direct prayers to him, but what does Jesus himself think about such prayers?

First, why do these questions even arise? Because the Bible says that Jehovah God is the “Hearer of prayer.” It is hardly surprising, then, that servants of God in ancient times, such as the Israelites, prayed only to Jehovah God, the Almighty.—Psalm 5:1,_2; 65:2.

Did things change when Jesus, the Son of God, came to earth to deliver mankind from sin and death? No, prayers were still directed to Jehovah. When on earth Jesus himself prayed frequently to his heavenly Father, and he taught others to do likewise. Just think of the model prayer, sometimes called the Lord’s Prayer or the Our Father, which is one of the best-known prayers in the world. Jesus did not teach us to pray to him; he gave us this model: “Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.”—Matthew 6:6,_9; 26:39,_42.

Do the words “in the name of Jesus every knee should bend” mean that we are to pray to him? No. The Greek phrase here involved “denotes the name upon which those that bow the knee unite, on which united all worship. The name which Jesus has received moves all to united adoration.” (A Grammar of the Idiom of the New Testament, by G._B._Winer) Indeed, for a prayer to be acceptable, it must be presented “in the name of Jesus,” but it is, nevertheless, addressed to Jehovah God and serves to his glorification. For this reason, Paul says: “In everything by prayer and supplication along with thanksgiving let your petitions be made known to God.”—Philippians 4:6.

‘But,’ some may ask, ‘does the Bible not report that both the disciple Stephen and the apostle John spoke to Jesus in heaven?’ That is true. These events, however, did not involve prayers, as Stephen and John each saw Jesus in vision and spoke to him directly. (Acts 7:56,_59; Revelation 1:17-19; 22:20) Bear in mind that simply speaking even to God does not in itself constitute a prayer. Adam and Eve spoke to God, offering excuses for their great sin, when He judged them following their sin in Eden. Their talking to him in that way was not a prayer. (Genesis 3:8-19) Hence, it would be incorrect to cite Stephen’s or John’s talking to Jesus as evidence that we actually should pray to him.

Taken from the 12/15/94 Watchtower Should you pray to jesus?

If you whould like this complete article on "Should you pray to Jesus" please email me and I will send you a copy of it. Thank you for all your time and patience in reading this post. If you have any questions please feel free to post, or email me. Hope you enjoyed this meal.

n0rstar...

To whom is this verse referring?

Rev 22:13

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

Today @ 02:01 AM here
Sozo:

n0rstar...

To whom is this verse referring?

Rev 22:13

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

Rev 22:13 clearly represents Jehovah

(Isaiah 44:6) “This is what Jehovah has said, the King of Israel and the Repurchaser of him, Jehovah of armies, ‘I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God.

(Revelation 1:8) “I am the Al´pha and the O·me´ga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”

(Revelation 21:6) And he said to me: “They have come to pass! I am the Al´pha and the O·me´ga, the beginning and the end. To anyone thirsting I will give from the fountain of the water of life free.

I appreciate that you take up concern in taken on an accurate knowledge of the scriptures. I hope this can aid you in your quest for understanding. If the scriptures I quoted fails to quench your hunger for the reason behind the scripture, please aid me with more information leading to your conundrum.

Rev 22:13 clearly represents Jehovah


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Thank you for your response!

When did Jehovah die?

Rev 1:8-18

" "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos, because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet, saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea." And I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands; and in the middle of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His breast with a golden girdle. And His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire; and His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been caused to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters. And in His right hand He held seven stars; and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength. And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as a dead man. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying, "Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.

Hey I also posted a whole article here on Jesus clearly being the Alpha and Omega as well.

And Norstar are you aware that the Watchtower has changed its position on whether or not Jesus should be worshipped?

You posted the article here

Thank you Boom, I shold have done that... bad me was being lazy.

n0rstar, one more question...

Is there more than one Saviour?

"...showing all good faith that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior in every respect. For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus;"

Today @ 04:47 AM located here
Sozo:

Rev 22:13 clearly represents Jehovah

Thank you for your response!

When did Jehovah die?

Rev 1:8-18

" "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos, because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet, saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea." And I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands; and in the middle of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His breast with a golden girdle. And His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire; and His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been caused to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters. And in His right hand He held seven stars; and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength. And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as a dead man. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying, "Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades. [/quote]

Jehovah did not die, neither will he; if I slightly confused you by using Gods name "Jehovah" please observ psalms 83:18; Exodus 6:3; Isaiah 12:2; 26:4 - in the older King James versions, the name is there, however in teh new king james, the writers left out the divine name altogether. If you look up the name Jehovah in the index, it should read something along the lines of "This name has been translated LORD X amount of times" - For further information on Gods name "Jehovah" please send me an email, and I will respond with the Broucher (That can also be picked up at your local Kingdom Hall)

Now for the question that is troublen you at Revelations 1:8-18.

As you read this out the bible please notice that these were seprate paragraphs, concluding that the once previous thought was concluded.

Revelation 1:8-18 “I am the Al´pha and the O·me´ga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”*

9 I John, YOUR brother and a sharer with YOU in the tribulation and kingdom and endurance in company with Jesus, came to be in the isle that is called Pat´mos for speaking about God and bearing witness to Jesus. 10 By inspiration I came to be in the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a strong voice like that of a trumpet, 11 saying: “What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations, in Eph´e·sus and in Smyr´na and in Per´ga·mum and in Thy·a·ti´ra and in Sar´dis and in Philadelphia and in La·o·di·ce´a.”

12 And I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me, and, having turned, I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the lampstands someone like a son of man, clothed with a garment that reached down to the feet, and girded at the breasts with a golden girdle.% 14 Moreover, his head and his hair were white as white wool, as snow, and his eyes as a fiery flame; 15 and his feet were like fine copper when glowing in a furnace; and his voice was as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars, and out of his mouth a sharp, long two-edged sword was protruding, and his countenance was as the sun when it shines in its power. 17 And when I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet.

And he laid his right hand upon me and said: “Do not be fearful. I am the First and the Last, 18 and the living one; and I became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of Ha´des. #

*This is the first of three times in Revelation that Jehovah himself speaks from heaven. (See also Revelation 21:5-8; 22:12-15.) First-century Christians would quickly have recognized alpha and omega as the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet. Jehovah’s calling himself by those two letters stresses that before him, there was no almighty God, and there will be none after him. He will bring to a successful conclusion, for all eternity, the issue of Godship. He will be forever vindicated as the one and only almighty God, Supreme Sovereign over all of his creation.—Compare Isaiah 46:10; 55:10, 11. (Revelations Climax; Chapter 4, p 20 - published by the watchtower society)

% 9 John turns at the sound of the loud voice, and here is what he sees: “I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me, and, having turned, I saw seven golden lampstands.” (Revelation 1:12) Later, John learns what these seven lampstands symbolize. But it is the person in the midst of the lampstands that catches his eye. There was “in the midst of the lampstands someone like a son of man, clothed with a garment that reached down to the feet, and girded at the breasts with a golden girdle.” (Revelation 1:13) Jesus, the “son of man,” here presents himself before the awestruck witness, John, as a magnificent, glowing figure. He appears in brilliant glory among flaming golden lampstands. This templelike setting impresses on John the fact that Jesus is present in the role of Jehovah’s great High Priest, with judgment powers. (Hebrews 4:14; 7:21-25) His long, impressive garment conforms to his priestly office. Like the Jewish high priests of old, he wears a girdle—a golden girdle over his breast where it covers his heart. This signifies that he will wholeheartedly carry out his divine commission received from Jehovah God.—Exodus 28:8, 30; Hebrews 8:1, 2. (Revelations Climax; Chapter 5, p 25 - published by the watchtower society)

# Nevertheless, our awe need not give way to morbid fear. Jesus reassured John, as the apostle next relates. “And he laid his right hand upon me and said: ‘Do not be fearful. I am the First and the Last, and the living one.’” (Revelation 1:17b, 18a) In Isaiah 44:6, Jehovah rightly describes his own position as the one and only almighty God, saying: “I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God.” When Jesus presents himself by the title “the First and the Last,” he is not claiming equality with Jehovah, the Grand Creator. He is using a title properly bestowed on him by God. In Isaiah, Jehovah was making a statement about His unique position as the true God. He is God eternal, and besides him there is indeed no God. (1 Timothy 1:17) In Revelation, Jesus is talking about his bestowed title, calling attention to his unique resurrection.

Jesus was indeed “the First” human to be resurrected to immortal spirit life. (Colossians 1:18) Moreover, he is “the Last” to be so resurrected by Jehovah personally. Thus, he becomes “the living one . . . living forever and ever.” He enjoys immortality. In this, he is like his immortal Father, who is called “the living God.” (Revelation 7:2; Psalm 42:2) For all others of humanity, Jesus himself is “the resurrection and the life.” (John 11:25) In harmony with this, he says to John: “I became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.” (Revelation 1:18b) Jehovah has given him the authority to resurrect the dead. That is why Jesus can say that he has the keys to unlock the gates for those bound by death and Hades (gravedom).—Compare Matthew 16:18.

Jesus here repeats his command to record the vision, telling John: “Write down the things you saw, and the things that are and the things that will take place after these.” (Revelation 1:19) What exciting things will John yet make known for our instruction? (Revelations Climax; Chapter 6, p 27-28 - published by the watchtower society)

Today @ 05:00 AM located here
Dee Dee Warren:

Hey I also posted a whole article here on Jesus clearly being the Alpha and Omega as well.

And Norstar are you aware that the Watchtower has changed its position on whether or not Jesus should be worshipped?

I am aware that Jehovahs Witness's has changed their views on subjects. One of which is smoken. In the 2/15/1950 Watch Tower, they addressed this issue "Why Christians Shun Tabacco" I am sure that they disapproved of Brothers and Sisters in the congregation smoken prior to this article, what I do know is Brothers and Sisters were given 3 months to quit their habit, and after that there would be grounds for counselling.

I am however unsure as their change of view on how Whorship, and the Christ was concerned. I can ask my bible teacher when he comes monday, hes in his 70's I beleave, and he was born and raised in the truth, so he has a much broader knowledge on this then I do.

If you can offer up an article of some sort, reguarding your comment, please supply me, you have my email. I would be delighted in reading it.

In conclusion though, I am well aware that Jehovhas Witness's has made changes. I found this snippet.

Why have there been changes over the years in the teachings of Jehovah’s Witnesses?

The Bible shows that Jehovah enables his servants to understand his purpose in a progressive manner. (Prov. 4:18; John 16:12) Thus, the prophets who were divinely inspired to write portions of the Bible did not understand the meaning of everything that they wrote. (Dan. 12:8,_9; 1_Pet. 1:10-12) The apostles of Jesus Christ realized that there was much they did not understand in their time. (Acts 1:6,_7; 1_Cor. 13:9-12) The Bible shows that there would be a great increase in knowledge of the truth during “the time of the end.” (Dan. 12:4) Increased knowledge often requires adjustments in one’s thinking. Jehovah’s Witnesses are willing humbly to make such adjustments. -- (1989) Reasoning from the Scriptures; p. 205; published by the Watch Tower Orginization

Today @ 05:31 AM located here
Sozo:

n0rstar, one more question...

Is there more than one Saviour?

"...showing all good faith that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior in every respect. For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus;"

no, there is 1 saviour Jesus Christ, and 1 God, whom sent him forth Jehovah

Titus 2:13 while we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of [the] Savior of us, Christ Jesus

John 17:3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ

Thousands of times throughout the Bible, God is spoken of as one person. When he speaks, it is as one undivided individual. The Bible could not be any clearer on this. As God states: “I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory.” (Isaiah 42:8) “I am Yahweh your God . . . You shall have no gods except me.” (Italics ours.)—Exodus 20:2,_3, JB.

Those words are found at Deuteronomy 6:4. The Catholic New Jerusalem Bible (NJB) here reads: “Listen, Israel: Yahweh our God is the one, the only Yahweh.” In the grammar of that verse, the word “one” has no plural modifiers to suggest that it means anything but one individual. -- (1989) Trinity Brochure; p. 13; published by the WatchTower Orginization

Hey there, my Alpha and Omega article refuted the arguments you presented above entirely. I am sorry my friend, but there is no way around this titles of Deity claimed by Christ in Revelation. If you would like to take that one line by line slowly, let me know. I will try and find that article I referred to before. I have no problem with progressive revelation in theory, but it does not work with the changes the Watchtower has made. Additioanlly, Jude told us that the faith was once for all delivered to the saints, so there can be no fundamental changes such as the sort of whether or not Jesus should be worshipped. Remember that the Watchtower claims to be a prophet of God. A prophet forthtells the truth, and cannot contradict itself.

No comment - I'm not enough of a Biblical scholar.


Hey Dee Dee,

I want to start a thread on the nature of God. Which forum should I use?

03-23-2003 @ 11:58 PM post located here
Dee Dee Warren:
Remember that the Watchtower claims to be a prophet of God. A prophet forthtells the truth, and cannot contradict itself.

no? - to my knowledge the Watch Tower Orginization does not claim to be a prophet of Jehovah, but rather a slave of Jehovah. If you have something refuting this, please post an article link. NOt once have I seen the Watch Tower orginization refer to themselfes as Prophets, in any articles or publications.

I will find it for you. Here is the article on the about face they did on whether or not Jesus should be worhsipped.

http://www.equip.org/free/DJ922.htm

That is a BIGGIE to be wrong about, don't you think?

Yesterday @ 02:50 AM post located here
Dee Dee Warren:

I will find it for you. Here is the article on the about face they did on whether or not Jesus should be worhsipped.

http://www.equip.org/free/DJ922.htm

That is a BIGGIE to be wrong about, don't you think?

thank you for pointen this article out to me, it was VERY informational. At my next Bible study I will be sure to raise some questions. To my knowledge though, one should not worship Jesus (Mat 4:10) Though I will look into this abit more, cause this could very well change my outlook on the Jehovah Witness orginization.

I am not prideful, I don't have to be right, I am just after the same thing so many others are after.

The Truth.

Dear n0rstar:

Thank you so much for your candor and humble spirit. I look forward to speaking with you more.