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  May 17th 2004 , 06:41 PM
 
 
 
 
 
Now I found this article from a site that claims to be Baptist but obviously is parody and makes fun of Christianity. If you trim all the insults and mockery towards the Catholic church, is any of what is said in this article about the Catholics going against the word of God true? Here is the article from LandoverBaptist.org (please remember that I do not support this kind of trash talk and I am only looking for people's opinions on this) Anyone can call himself a Christian, but that doesn’t make it so. Anyone can quote the Bible, but that doesn’t make him saved. Anyone can build a giant, elaborate cathedral, with stained glass windows and ornate sculptures, but that doesn’t make him Heaven-bound. Friends, the number of Hell-bound heathens claiming to believe in Jesus is countless. They go by names like Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Moonies and Branch Davidians. No matter the name, they will roast on a spit above Satan’s hot coals for eternity while we sip Rothschild’s finest with our Savior in Heaven. But perhaps the most dangerous cult, whose members will be the first plunged into Lucifer’s fiery abyss, is also one of the most popular. I am, of course, referring to the Catholics.



Catholics claim to be Christians despite the fact that much of what they believe constitutes the essence of blasphemy. They spit in Jesus’ face every time they hold mass, yet many saved Christians still believe Catholics will be ascending to Heaven with us. How could our colleagues be fooled by a religion that is so obviously anti-Christian? They assume that, because the Catholics have millions of followers worldwide, they must believe something right. Well, let me tell you something – popularity means nothing. Sixty million Americans eat Spam but that hardly makes it good.

The ways in which Catholics defy God’s word are too numerous to describe in this sermon. So let me just focus on a few. First, they worship mortals, something God expressly admonished against. Catholics claim to love Jesus and claim to believe in the Holy Trinity. But they don’t limit their worship to God, as the Bible demands (Exodus 20:3). Instead, they pray to mere mortals – Mary, Joseph and the so-called “saints” – humans, whom they have made gods in their own right. Humans, who they believe can perform the miracles of our Savior. I once saw a Catholic woman praying beside her car in a mall parking lot. When I asked her if she was praying to the Lord, she said, “no,” she was praying to Saint Anthony to help her find her car keys.

This is idolatry, pure and simple. The Bible orders us not to pray to dead men (Psalms 106:28), and Jesus instructs us not to pray to angels (Colossians 2:18). We are to have one God, and one God alone. The Catholics actually worship a woman! Mary, the woman who was selected at random to serve as the incubator for Christ. There are actually documents written by popes that say Mary, a mortal female, is the key to salvation. Blasphemy doesn’t get more blatant than that.

But the Catholics don’t stop there. They actually bow before and pray to statues – graven images not only of God but of these mortals they (not God) have declared to be saints. Bowing to images is the essence of idolatry (Exodus 20:5; Deuteronomy 5;9; Isaiah 44:17; Daniel 3:5, 10, 15), even if the image is of God (Exodus 32:4-6 with Psalms 106:19-20). What happens to those who practice idolatry? They never enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Galatians 5:19-21; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

There are numerous other Catholic beliefs that run afoul of God’s word. The Catholics believe some people neither go to Heaven nor Hell, but instead wind up in an imaginary fantasyland they call “purgatory” (even though there is no such place described in the Bible). The Catholics believe we cannot confess our sins to God directly, but instead have to recite them to a pedophile intermediary, despite the fact that the Bible never suggests this. They think, in order to be forgiven of sin, we have to recite rote prayers over and over (like some elementary school kid ordered to write, “I will not talk in class” 100 times on the blackboard), even though such nonsense finds no support in the Bible. They baptize babies before they know the difference between Jesus and Pampers. Even worse, they reject the Bible in favor of the statements of some nelly queen in a dress and a Madonna bosom-cup hat, believing anything that idol says while in the cathedral comes from God. That is blasphemy if the term has any meaning! And worst of all, they don’t believe one must be born again to enter the Kingdom of Heaven!

The bottom line is that the Catholic church is nothing more than a cult that happened to catch on. Granted, the pope has a greater following than Jim Jones did, but the distinction ends there. One need only watch an altar boy walk bowlegged from a priest’s chambers to recognize theirs is hardly the “true faith.” Homosexuality is not merely something the Catholics have overlooked and ignored. It is something they have actively promoted. And if all of that isn’t enough to convince you of the truth, bear in mind that Catholics claim to have seen visions of the face of Mary bleeding on objects ranging from an adobe wall to a bowel movement. They might as well be Elvis-spotters. And for all the good the pomp and circumstance of their services will do them, the Catholics might as well just sacrifice pets on their front lawns. That would give them the same shot at Heaven -- none. So say “farewell,” “goodbye,” “hope the heat doesn’t get to you” to all your Catholic friends. For one thing is certain. There is no room in Heaven for Mary-loving, incense-burning, Pope-adoring, candle-lighting, apparition-seeing, statue-slobbering, ring-kissing, wafer-eating, stained glass-loving, altar-boy banging, mackarel-snapping idol-worshipers!

 
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Not all Catholics will go to Hell... only the ones who practice Catholicism instead of the Christianity taught in the Bible.

 
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  May 17th 2004 , 08:51 PM
 
 
 
 
Isn't it God's job to decide who goes to hell...?

I simply cannot claim to hold the answers.

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Landover Baptist is a parody site run by atheists.

 
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Oh, is the OP from Landover Baptist? It's a pretty darn funny site--and dead on when it comes to parodying fudie Baptist thought (I grew up in this sad paradigm).

 
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Isn't it God's job to decide who goes to hell...?

I simply cannot claim to hold the answers.

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Only the saved go to heaven. If a Roman Catholic gets born-again; if they know Christ and receives Him as their personal Lord and Savior - they will go to heaven. The unsaved Roman Catholic, just like the unsaved from any religion - will end up in Hell. Anyone rejecting the love of Christ - ends up in hell.

 
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Only the saved go to heaven. If a Roman Catholic gets born-again; if they know Christ and receives Him as their personal Lord and Savior - they will go to heaven. The unsaved Roman Catholic, just like the unsaved from any religion - will end up in Hell. Anyone rejecting the love of Christ - ends up in hell.
So you think all Catholics are saved ? Its pretty obvious that Catholics accept the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross for their sins. So you think all denominations are saved ?

 
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So you think all Catholics are saved ? Its pretty obvious that Catholics accept the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross for their sins. So you think all denominations are saved ?
A religion cannot get saved. Only people can be saved. Obviously not all Catholics are saved and certainly not all religious people in denominations are saved. Obviously you have not read any of my previous posts on Romanism and Denominationalism.

Many Roman Catholics and likewise an awful lot of religionists do not in fact accept the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross for their sins. That is why so many religious people, Roman Catholics included are trying to earn salvation or trying to keep it by sacramentalism and other religious works. If they were truly believing "the Gospel" - they would not be trying to "earn" salvation by their works.

 
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A religion cannot get saved. Only people can be saved. Obviously not all Catholics are saved and certainly not all religious people in denominations are saved. Obviously you have not read any of my previous posts on Romanism and Denominationalism.

Many Roman Catholics and likewise an awful lot of religionists do not in fact accept the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross for their sins. That is why so many religious people, Roman Catholics included are trying to earn salvation or trying to keep it by sacramentalism and other religious works. If they were truly believing "the Gospel" - they would not be trying to "earn" salvation by their works.
Uhh, I have never met a Catholic that did not believe Jesus died on the cross for their sins. You are saying that believing it is not that same as accepting it? I never said a religion can save people. I basically knew all the answers to the questions I asked in this thread in advance. As I have said I had a hidden motive in this to up my posts and this is not a particular area I am interested in.

 
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Originally posted by CombativeTheist
Uhh, I have never met a Catholic that did not believe Jesus died on the cross for their sins. You are saying that believing it is not that same as accepting it? I never said a religion can save people. I basically knew all the answers to the questions I asked in this thread in advance. As I have said I had a hidden motive in this to up my posts and this is not a particular area I am interested in.
Hidden motive? How juicy! Do share!

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Not all Catholics will go to Hell... only the ones who practice Catholicism instead of the Christianity taught in the Bible.
Since the Landover site is apparently a parody website, I won't address that article. I do think the above comment is worthy of being addressed, though. I'm glad some other people in this thread took up for Catholics, too. I converted to Catholicism in college after a period of Fundamentalism as a child, followed by a period of Atheism as a young adult. I was "born again" at the age of nine or ten, but I do not consider that the seminal event in my spiritual life. The way it occurred was dubious, for one thing. I regularly attended a fundamentalist church with my Grandmother, and one Wednesday night the church brought in a group of travelling performers to act out the Book of Revelation. I remember the pastor saying to the congregation that he didn't like frightening people to be born again, but sometimes fear was the only thing that worked. For a young kid, it was indeed a pretty scary performance. Afterwards, I went to the front, the pastor came to me and had me recite a prayer (I thought us Catholics were the only ones who recite rote prayers? Hmmm...). That's how I came to be born again. I consider myself to have been born again AGAIN when I began attending RCIA meetings every Thursday during college, which eventually led to my acceptance into the Roman Catholic Church at Easter in 1998. My beliefs as a Catholic are Christian beliefs. I don't know what you think you know about Catholics, but you and I believe in and are dedicated to the same God.

 
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I was raised Roman Catholic- and didn't move terribly far from that interpretation- I'm Lutheran. And yes there are Catholics who have found and continue to find salvation in Christ, just as there are Baptists and Methodists and Pentecostals and Lutherans and non-denominational people who have found salvation in Christ.

The Lutheran understanding of salvation is very similar to the Catholic understanding of salvation. We don't believe you recite a "sinner's prayer" and bingo- you're saved- you can sin all you want and do what you want, because you said "I believe in Jesus." A person who believes in Jesus will follow Him and will surrender to His will not out of "duty" or in attempt to "earn" brownie points or "buy" salvation but as a response to His grace and love for us. (you will know them by their fruits) We do believe salvation is a process that begins with Baptism, when we are named and claimed as children of God. As we grow in faith and grace and are conformed to God's will and purpose (see Romans 12:1-2) we are transformed. Jesus "cleans us up" from the inside out, so that our actions and life are a reflection upon Him. Jesus not only claims us, but He causes us to become more like Him as we follow Him as His disciples.

Yes Roman Catholics can be saved!

If you are saved it is entirely to God's credit (the Holy Spirit speaks to the heart and leads us to salvation, it is God's free gift)

If you are damned it is entirely your own fault (the one sin that is not forgiven is rejecting the Holy Spirit- the person who says in his/her heart "there is no God" despite evidence to the contrary, the person who sees no need to repent, is the person who condemns him/herself to damnation)

 
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