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Featured Article: Why Should Anyone Believe Anything at all?
Published by Trout
May 27th 2004 |
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dizzle
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May 27th 2004, 10:05 PM
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Re: Impact Apologetics
I just adore Frank. I have seen him do two seminars with Norm and they were fantastic. Yes, he has met me and has been sworn to secrecy. But he will tell you that he has met the DDW "six days!" onslaught personally.
But this book I am reading right now (thank you Frank for the copy that was way cool of you) and it is fantastic. It parallels one of the seminars that I attended. If you guys have never seen Frank in action, it is a sight to see. He is dynamic beyond words. |
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Seasanctuary
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May 28th 2004, 06:55 AM
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Re: Featured Article: Why Should Anyone Believe Anything at all?
Thanks for sharing the sample chapter. I'm in nearly complete agreement with the points made therein. (Except I kept thinking of high speed Internet for some reason...hrm.)
Personal beliefs do tend to be the result of all the areas examined in the chapter. I agree that you can't find someone who takes her beliefs via any one of those conduits. But it definitely helps to check for logical consistancy and empirical reliability. Knowing isn't as sure as we might like, but it's not so bad either. 2. Logic tells us that opposites cannot be true at the same time in the same sense. Logic is part of reality itself, and is thus the same in America, India, and everywhere in the universe.Agreed. At least, if it's not...I can't fathom it. 3. By use of the Road Runner tactic, we can see that Hume is not skeptical about skepticism, and Kant is not agnostic about agnosticism. Therefore, their views defeat themselves. It is possible to know truths about God.I'd advise the more justified (from knocking down H&K) and less assumptive statement: "They've not shown it impossible to know truths about God." 4. Many truths about God can be known by his effects, which we can observe. Through many observations (induction) we can draw reasonable conclusions (deductions) about the existence and nature of God (which we will do in subsequent chapters).Christianity does teach a highly interventionist, observable-effect causing God. So I agree in this case. 5. Truth in morality and religion has temporal and maybe even eternal consequences. Apathy and ignorance can be fatal. What you don't know, or don't care to know, can hurt you.Of course. I doubt caring to know the truth in such matters is sufficient to find out the important truths, however. People are often Atheists or Agnostics because they note people's tendency to care about finding out such truths, and finding varying results (which can't all be correct). 6. So why should anyone believe anything at all? Because they have evidence to support those beliefs, and because beliefs have consequences.We believe without meaning to. (For a lot of little things every day.) I appreciate that the approach in this sample chapter is not "First, come up with a philosophical justification for exact knowledge of truths...THEN you get to start believing things." Our ability to know is not so clear-cut, but then...extreme skepticism and agnosticism are too dim views (and contradictory, as pointed out). I believe we can know in part and shouldn't exclude the possibility of a God being out there interacting with us. Indeed, considering the amount of theists, it's a worthwhile claim to investigate. Regards, Seasanctuary |
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FormerFundy
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May 28th 2004, 10:14 AM
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Re: Featured Article: Why Should Anyone Believe Anything at all?
Since Hume and Kant violate the Law of Noncontradiction, their attempts to destroy all "religious" truths fail. However, just because Hume and Kant are wrong, that doesn't necessarily mean that we have positive evidence for, say, the existence of God. The Road Runner tactic can only reveal that a proposition is false. It does not provide positive evidence that any particular claim is true.I am not sure if this is Sire or Geisler here but it sounds very similar to Geisler's approach in his book Christian Apologetics (which I used when I taught apologetics). My whole problem with Geisler's approach is summed up in the quote above. His law of non-contradiction offers no positive proof for Christianity. It can eliminate some falsehoods (when enough information is known) but it cannot prove Christianity or any other religion. |
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Soundsurfr
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May 28th 2004, 03:06 PM
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Re: Featured Article: Why Should Anyone Believe Anything at all?
By reasoning that this book has an author, you are naturally putting observation, induction, and deduction together. If we were to write out your thoughts in logical form, they would look like this deductive argument:Big gaping hole in this part. The combination of observation and inductive reasoning that led you to the premise "all books have at least one author" does not exist for the premise "all universes have at least one intelligent creator". In other words, we know from observation that authors write books and we know of no other way a book could exist. Therefore we can logically deduce that if we have a book there was an author involved. However, we have NO information what it takes to have a universe exist. Even if we argue that the universe can't exist without a "pre-existing supernatural intelligence" (and how would we know that?), the same logic will hold true for the "pre-existing supernatural intelligence". There are other very valid philosohical challenges to the arguments presented, but this one's enough for now. |
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Calvinist4Him
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May 30th 2004, 02:15 AM
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Re: Featured Article: Why Should Anyone Believe Anything at all?
The law of non-contradiction isn't Geisler's, in fact, it's not Aristotle's either. Aristotle discovered the law of non-contradiction through reason, through using his intellect. The law of non-contradiction actually can be used as a proof in the TAG argument. The law of non-contradiction can falsify religions, hence considering the disagreements, it is reasonable to say "there is only one true religion" because they cannot all be true. That does not mean a false religion is entirely false, we should know that many a lie contains "grains of truth". What the law of non-contradiction can prove, is that the basic foundation of logic is absolute, unbreakable, and unchangable. And materialism cannot account for these non-material laws which govern thought and language. |
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HRG_new
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May 30th 2004, 04:46 AM
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Re: Featured Article: Why Should Anyone Believe Anything at all?
He just noted that A and not-A cannot be both true, because of the definition of the logical connective "not". This is as deep as the discovery that 2+2=4, because of the definitions of "2", "+", "=" and "4". The law of non-contradiction actually can be used as a proof in the TAG argument. The law of non-contradiction can falsify religions,No more than it can falsify a flat earth, just because the statements "The earth is round" and "The earth is flat" cannot both be true. hence considering the disagreements, it is reasonable to say "there is only one true religion" because they cannot all be true.Right. For instance Catholic Christianity and Protestant Christianity cannot both be true. But they can all be false. That does not mean a false religion is entirely false, we should know that many a lie contains "grains of truth".Not at all. Logic is governed by the semantic definitions inherent in our language. If you redefine "and" to mean the connective that we usually denote by "or", "X and not-X" becomes a tautology, instead of a contradiction. Regards, HRG. "All theorems of logic state the same - to wit, nothing" (L. Wittgenstein) |
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FormerFundy
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May 30th 2004, 09:50 AM
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Re: Featured Article: Why Should Anyone Believe Anything at all?
I did not mean that it belonged to him or that he developed it. What I meant was that it is the centerpiece of his apologetic. The law of non-contradiction can falsify religions, hence considering the disagreements, it is reasonable to say "there is only one true religion" because they cannot all be true.It is also possible that they all may be false. What the law of non-contradiction can prove, is that the basic foundation of logic is absolute, unbreakable, and unchangable. And materialism cannot account for these non-material laws which govern thought and language.Why not? |
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Calvinist4Him
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May 30th 2004, 02:47 PM
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Re: Featured Article: Why Should Anyone Believe Anything at all?
Ok, thanks for the clearification. Not IF one of them is true. The major task then is establishing the truths of one. This is where "worldview thinking" comes in, and the tests of a worldview http://www.reasons.org/resources/apo...sts.shtml?main Why not what? Why is the law of non-contradiction absolute and unbreakable? Or Why can materialism not account for non-material entities (entities in the philosophy sense of the word)? How does materialism account for the basic laws of logic? The only answer I've heard from materialists is the man created these laws, but that simply doesn't pan out, that is not a valid answer. If logic is an invention of man, then logic is not absolute, and if logic is not absolute...do you not see the logical consequences of non-absolute logic? How can we understand anything if logic is not absolute? When someone disagrees with me, they are assuming 1.) they understand me, and 2.) that the law of non-contradiction exists and is unchanging. Othewise their disagreement and the matter they are disagreeing with are quite meaningless. We probably would not even be having this discussion were it not for postmodernism and deconstructionism. I remember reading or hearing somewhere that one cannot refute (sound) reasoning with (sound) reasoning...think about it. |
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FormerFundy
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May 30th 2004, 04:54 PM
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Re: Featured Article: Why Should Anyone Believe Anything at all?
No problem. Of course but as I said they may all be false. The "tests" are very subjective and really offer no objective help to deciding between world views. For example, 2. Mean Test: Is the worldview balanced between complexity and simplicity? An acceptable worldview will be neither too simple (reductive fallacy) nor too complex (Ockham's Razor). All things being equal, the simplest, most economical, and yet fully orbed worldview is to be preferred. How does one objectively decide this? One person's simplicity is another person's complexity. 6. Pragmatic Test: Does the worldview promote practical and workable consequences? An acceptable worldview will be practical, workable, sensible, and therefore "externally livable." Once again very subjective and its doubtful that only one worldview could pass this test. I would not say that logic is an "invention" of man but rather that it is the result of the long evolutionary development of the human brain. Here is a good book to read and digest on the subject. Why The Laws of Thought Are, After All, the Laws of (Evolutionary) Logic By William D. Casebeer Here is an on-line review of the book: http://human-nature.com/nibbs/03/cooper.html |
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Calvinist4Him
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May 30th 2004, 05:44 PM
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Re: Featured Article: Why Should Anyone Believe Anything at all?
Which isn't really saying much... Yeah you may or may not be a fundamentalist in disguise. Balking at the tests? By what objective basis are the tests themselves subjective? No, one person who doesn't comprehend or understand or recognize complexity is actually wrong to mistake complexity for simplicity. In the same way, an above average intellegent person is actually wrong to mistake complexity for simplicity. Is DNA simple or complex? Are living cells simple or complex? But anyway, even if I agree that the mean test is not the test which measures all other tests, you did manage to ignore the test of coherance. The individual tests are not in a vaccum as the sole criteria, and that is why the collective results of ALL the tests should be taken into account. Oh but you ARE saying logic is an invention of man when you claim it's the "result of the long evolutionary development of the human brain". Perhaps you could provide objective empiracally verifiable evidence of this long evolutionary development of the human brain? I believe the ancient writings of such thinkers as Socrotes, Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Augustine counter such a claim. oh thanks, but I found another review of the book http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...=ATVPDKIKX0DER looks like 6 out of 6 people agree with the review too. Awww shucks. ![]() |
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#12
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John Powell
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May 31st 2004, 12:06 AM
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to supporters of Geisler and Turek
GEISLER/TUREK:POWELL: Because it tends to improve our procreative success and our quality of life. Those who don't believe anything at all are brain dead. G/T:POWELL: What about scientific? They're all psychological. It's the mind of each person concluding what is most likely true given the evidence. G/T:POWELL: It's psychological, the mind trying to be coherent. Children apparently are hard-wired to trust their elders. Children who were a lot more skeptical died a lot more often before procreating. For young children, the mere say-so of their parents coupled with what little experience they have seems to be a good reason to believe. As children mature they should rely more and more on their own experiences to judge the reliability of what others say. G/T:POWELL: Everyone can sometimes be wrong. That's not a justified basis to ignore the say-so of one's parents. G/R:POWELL: It's psychological. The individual human concludes from experience that what the society believes is more likely right than wrong. Every society can be wrong about some things. That's not a justified basis to ignore what society considers to be right. G/R:POWELL: They seem to be using "comfort" in distinct ways. They say they're not comfortable with the idea that comfort is a justified reason to believe. Evidently, that's due to the discomfort they feel. Mental discomfort comes from incoherence: when a rational person believes as true what his mind has concluded is not true. Mental comfort arrives when the mind is coherent about its beliefs. G/R:POWELL: I agree that truth is important, but the reasoning given is a non sequitur. There can be consequences when you're right too. G/R:POWELL: They're all psychological reasons. Apparently, rational adults NEVER believe something JUST because someone says so. Apparently, they always compare the affirmation with their experiences. IMO, efficient adults USUALLY believe what others say without checking further for external evidence. G/R:POWELL: What about the scientific category? G/R:POWELL: Philosophy means love of wisdom where wisdom is the wise use of knowledge. Science, however, IS knowledge. Philosophers can gleefully consider ideas that they believe are false, but science is focused on discovering what is true as best as is humanly possible. I think philosophy is more like the love of ideas. Finding truth by way of examining evidence whether the evidence be a philosophical argument, a scientific observation, or a claim by a trusted authority, is a psychological process. A mental process. G/R:POWELL: If it best explains the data then it's supported by evidence and it's rational. G/R:POWELL: Well then, Sire, please explain why you're subsuming science under philosophy when philosophers don't consistently follow the scientific method. G/R:POWELL: It's worth trusting if it's more efficient at reaching the truth than any other known method. Philosophical arguments are the best way to discover coherent, "definitional" truth. Science is the best way to discover correspondence to reality truth. Since the individual doesn't know what is truth when he sets out to discover it, he's dependent on using methods that have worked the best for him in the past. G/R:POWELL: IMO, all beliefs by rational persons are supported by what they consider to be evidence, reasons to believe. Otherwise, the rational person wouldn't believe it. Rational people don't believe something for no reason whatsoever, but because they have reasons, they have evidence that they think supports the belief. Whether the evidence better supports the opposing view is another matter. G/R:POWELL: What about those who find proofs attractive? IMO, people invariably arrive at their beliefs on the basis of what they judge to be most likely true. They work it out in their mind. G/R:POWELL: Yes. But what we think we know about the truth is subjective. Apparently, we don't CERTAINLY HAVE the truth. If we're lucky enough to have the truth in one case, we're apparently limited in our ability to absolutely know it. All we apparently CERTAINLY have is what we THINK is the truth. G/R:POWELL: Facts are best discovered through EVIDENCE, whether it be logical arguments, scientific observations, or the claims of trusted authorities. G/R:POWELL: No, that's not what the professor was saying. Does a male have to be male or female or both or neither? Does the "or female or both or neither" have any utility? G/R:POWELL: What SEEMS to be the case when you've been trying to explain yourself concerning a complicated philosophical issue while hungry and what IS the case might be two different things. Isn't that the case, Ravi? So, Ravi, which is true, 1 or 2 or 3 or 4: 1. There is western logic and eastern logic OR 2. There is western logic or eastern logic OR 3. Both 1 and 2 OR 4. Neither 1 nor 2? G/R:POWELL: We're all made of the same stuff, Ravi. If it weren't for the E-M force pushing atoms away from each other then the bus presumably could pass through. (How the person and the bus could keep themselves together would be another problem). When two tributaries join their flows then which one constitutes the combined flow, Ravi, the left tributary OR the right tributary? Should I be asking "and"? G/R:POWELL: The phrase "try and prove" is unacceptable form for a philosopher. It should be "try to prove." He did it right when he then said "tries to argue." Well, Ravi, apparently you're right and the professor is right. I prefer Western Philosophy because I think it's much closer to the way scientists think. G/R:POWELL: Your calculations are wrong because you're using simple algebraic math rather than calculus math. Does that make sense to you, Ravi? G/R:POWELL: Your calculations are wrong because you're using classical physics rather than modern physics. Does that make sense to you, Ravi? Your translation is wrong because you're using English grammar rather than Indian grammar. Does that make sense to you, Ravi? G/R:POWELL: 2+2=4 is true by mathematical definition. The gravity in India is not identically the same as the gravity in the United States, but the effects are very similar. Murder is wrong by definition. Is the language the same in both places? Not exactly. Is formal logic a kind of language? Yes. G/R:POWELL: Gravity was discovered. Formal logic was invented. Formal logic is a specialized language like mathematics. Thinking is evolutionary. G/R:POWELL: That's like saying there's only one geometry: Euclidean or only one language: English. Perhaps what you mean to say is that there's only one kind of thinking that helps us discover the truth, the kind of thinking that is thinking. G/R:POWELL: Then why do we need to go to college to learn it if it's the language we're bound to use anyways? G/R:POWELL: To say that logic applies to reality is like saying language or math applies to reality. The better language or math does that, the more useful to discovering truth they probably are. However, we can INVENT words and concepts and maths that don't match reality very well. G/R:POWELL: Can you prove the Law of Noncontradiction without begging the question? Maybe we've universally generalized something that almost always works. G/R:POWELL: Wrong. They can both be right. She's expecting and he isn't. You're trying to apply the rules of formal logic which ASSUMES the LNC to the natural language which does not always assume the LNC. G/R:POWELL: When using FORMAL LOGIC to investigate questions of fact then the LNC is assumed to apply. G/R:POWELL: They sure can. They can be using differing definitions for "God." G/R:POWELL: Not necessarily. Maybe those words meant different things. When God told Adam that "in the day" that Adam ate of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil that Adam would "surely die" did God mean it? G/R:POWELL: Appeal to force. G/R:POWELL: Why should we conclude that LNC is true, that there are no dieletheias? Just because we've never discovered any yet? Wouldn't that be an argument from ignorance? G/R:POWELL: Are you absolutely convinced of that? Why? Because Hume said so? G/R:POWELL: Argument from consequences. It would be bad to use all religious writings for kindling, therefore Hume was wrong. G/R:POWELL: It's my understanding that most professors of philosophy avoid this kind of missionary work. G/R:POWELL: Sure, G/R, and science, which is based on views like those of Hume, is self-defeating and thus false. Let's discard science and return to the kind of philosophy that assured us that the Earth is the center of the universe. What you've shown is that the assumptions of a philosophy are not the theorems of the philosophy. So, now let's deal with your favorite assumption. Using logic, please prove that the LNC is true without begging the question. I concede that most things that are self-contradictory are not both true, but I do not concede that there are no dialetheias. The LNC affirms that there are no dialetheias. It seems that philosophers are so fixated on proofs of what is certainly true that they haven't learned the lesson of science that "probably true" is sufficient. Because philosophy is unable to prove your religion to be false, G/R, apparently you hold out hope that it's true, because it could be true, despite the evidence that suggests it's probably false. G/R:POWELL: Well, maybe you can sort of know the real tree in itself, but how would you absolutely know that you were right? G/R:POWELL: Perhaps because philosophers more often love to consider ideas regardless of whether they are true or not. G/R:POWELL: In other words, we aren't justified in being absolutely certain of much of anything. G/R:POWELL: Did Kant claim to absolutely know this or did he merely believe it very strongly? G/R:POWELL: What about this one? It is probably the case that no one has the absolute truth. G/R:POWELL: Did Kant claim to absolutely know this or did he merely believe it very strongly? Well, gee, G/R, then isn't the LNC a "nothing-but" fallacy too? G/R:POWELL: What we see in our minds is similar, but different, from the real thing. G/R:POWELL: Then similarly, did Neo really "know" the things that he saw in the Matrix? G/R:POWELL: And you could be living in the Matrix and never know it. Isn't that so, G/R? G/R:POWELL: Where specifically did they violate the LNC? Where did they propose a statement and it's negation as both being true? Person A: I believe X Person B: But, I believe ~X. This would not be a violation of the LNC. G/R:POWELL: Do you absolutely know this or do you merely believe it very strongly? G/R:POWELL: Do you absolutely know this or do you believe it very strongly? G/R:POWELL: Not necessarily. G/R:POWELL: If by "know" you mean something like "believe very strongly." G/R:POWELL: Ridiculous. What a person is able to claim is not necessarily identical with what is true. People can be wrong. G/R:POWELL: To say you don't know is to admit that you aren't absolutely certain. Whether your belief is correct or not is a separate issue. G/R:POWELL: Just because our minds evolved to accept them as true doesn't make them true, G/R. You want us to accept them without proof based on your CLAIM that they are inherent in the nature of reality. Where's the proof that they are inherent in the nature of reality? What's to stop you from claiming that the existence of God is also "inherent in the nature of reality"? G/R:POWELL: Wrong. The Law of the excluded middle is that only propositions that are either true or false are allowed. It applies to formal logic. On the other hand, if it's a statement in the natural language that's not a "well formed proposition" (one that is either true or false) then it might be neither true nor false. Is the statement "Geisler has stopped beating his wife" true or false, G? Is the statement "Adam surely died in the day that he partook of the forbidden fruit" true or false, G? G/R:POWELL: The conclusion necessarily follows *IF* you assume things like LNC and the excluded middle and the identity principle and consistency of meaning and that you're testing the truth values of the premises and conclusion simultaneously. Otherwise, the conclusion does not necessarily follow. The premises could be true, but the conclusion false. G/R:POWELL: That's where science comes in. G/R:POWELL: Deductive arguments are valid or invalid. Propositions (premises and conclusions) are true or false. It's misleading, I think, to speak of arguments that are true or false and conclusions or premises that are valid or invalid. G/R:POWELL: We believe that the conclusion is false if Zachary is a man. What you posted TRULY is an argument, G. Take my word for it. G/R:POWELL: Not necessarily. If premise 1 were true, but premise 2 were false (Zachary is an iguana) then the conclusion could be true. A valid deductive argument with false premises could still have a true conclusion, but a valid deductive argument with true premises CANNOT have a false conclusion. G/R:POWELL: Absurd. If the argument is deductively sound then BY DEFINITION the premises are true and the conclusion is true. G/R:POWELL: We need science. G/R:POWELL: There VERY PROBABLY is some general principle. G/R:POWELL: That's the old way of distinguishing deduction from induction. Newer textbooks on logic treat deductive arguments as those claiming that the conclusion necessarily follows given the truth of the premises whereas inductive arguments are those claiming that the conclusion probably follows given the truth of the premises. G/R:POWELL: Most of what you "know" about things in general is by inductive rather than deductive arguments. G/R:POWELL: And your reader is deciding whether you're probably right based on what you've written. To say "cannot" would be a deductive fallacy (unless you define men such that they aren't 4-legged) since maybe there are men who are four-legged reptiles. You should say or clearly imply "probably is not" to be an inductive argument. G/R:POWELL: Then "probably" should be put there or understood to be there. G/R:POWELL: You aren't justified in being absolutely certain since your vision might be mistaken. G/R:POWELL: Probably has at least one author. G/R:POWELL: We can accept that the premises are true and, since it's a valid deductive argument, therefore the argument becomes an "acceptable" sound deductive argument, but that does not necessarily mean the premises are true. Maybe there are some books without an author. What about the book of life? Who was the author of that one? G/R:POWELL: Apparently, to some people with strong motivation to believe in religion the universe points to a God. To atheists it doesn't. G/R:POWELL: I agree that it matters. John Powell |
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#13
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FormerFundy
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May 31st 2004, 08:35 AM
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Re: Featured Article: Why Should Anyone Believe Anything at all?
Its saying a whole lot. Your religion may be false. Balking at the tests? By what objective basis are the tests themselves subjective?The answers to the tests would have to be subjective by the nature of the case. Do you not think that Moslems believe their religion passes all the tests? Do you not think that other religions are equally convinced that they pass the test? No, one person who doesn't comprehend or understand or recognize complexity is actually wrong to mistake complexity for simplicity. In the same way, an above average intellegent person is actually wrong to mistake complexity for simplicity. Is DNA simple or complex? Are living cells simple or complex?There are areas where everyone would agree that something is complex. There are other areas where they would be considerable disagreement, especially when talking about religion. The individual tests are not in a vaccum as the sole criteria, and that is why the collective results of ALL the tests should be taken into account.Fine, but again I maintain that any Moselm who takes the test will believe that his worldview fits all the tests nicely. Oh but you ARE saying logic is an invention of man when you claim it's the "result of the long evolutionary development of the human brain".No I am not. The wheel is an invention of man but logic is not. Logic is simply the operating system of the brain (it operates much better in some than others). Perhaps you could provide objective empiracally verifiable evidence of this long evolutionary development of the human brain?As soon as you present some empircally verifiable evidence that logic came directly from the Christian god. Amazon reviewers? Those are not peer-reviewers such as I cited. I am not saying this book is the final word on the subject but it offers a plausible explanation of the development of logic. |
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scottatiwu
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May 31st 2004, 07:23 PM
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Re: Featured Article: Why Should Anyone Believe Anything at all?
"Kant's philosophy is bad philosophy, yet it has convinced many people that there is an unbridgeable gulf between them and the real world; that there's no way you can get any reliable knowledge about what the world is really like, much less what God is really like. According to Kant, we are locked in complete agnosticism about the real world.
Thankfully, there's a simple answer to all of this, the Road Runner tactic. Kant commits the same error as Hume, he violates the Law of Noncontradiction. He contradicts his own premise by saying that no one can know the real world while he claims to know something about it, namely that the real world is unknowable! In effect, Kant says the truth about the real world is that there are no truths about the real world." Didn't have the time to read all of the responding posts, I'm about to head to dinner, but I wanted to respond here real quick. Like I said back so many months ago when I frequented here, an absolute denial of the ability to know anything about the "real world" is unfounded, but we are still unable to have absolute certainty about the "real world." Secondly, in your point about "God-indicators," the Hume-Kantian rebutal, I assume, would be "you can't use frames of reference from within your field of experience to explain those things outside of your field of experience (with certainty)." God Bless |
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weighman
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June 1st 2004, 12:36 AM
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Re: Featured Article: Why Should Anyone Believe Anything at all?
There is much contridiction among all Faiths. But they do have much in common.
Most teach to do good and follow laws or principals for betterment of mankind Not all logic, evidence or science reveals truth. There is such an experience as Spiritual revelation. Most all faiths will attest to this. It is by this experience that most believe.One is tofollow Gods way, the other to follow what is not Gods way. All faiths in some form of good and evil. You can make it as complicated as you wish. |