What do the other human persons here think ?

No doubt someone will object, saying something obviously ridiculous like, but atheists are persons.

But clearly this is mistaken because anybody without a well developed belief in God is obviously not a full human person.

What could be more obvious than that ?

How many full human persons do you know without a well developed belief in God. Obviously none, because if they were full human person they would have a well developed belief in God.

Now some people might object to killing atheists for there (and obviously it is there and not thier as they are not whos but whats ) organs but think of all the full human persons that would benifit from the organs and the medical research that could be done on these non-persons.

How could anybody object, they are not human persons and if you think we should not kill them then that is just because of out dated ideas and because they must really just want people to suffer. For shame on you !

So what do people think ?

Should we kill these atheist human non-persons for the benifit of fully human persons ?

Jason

Well I'm sure to you this won't coz I'm not a person but I have a question:

Are you a true scotsman?
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Ok what's this about or will it be a secret until more people respond

Originally posted by Jmebob

Ok what's this about or will it be a secret until more people respond

It isn't obvious ?

Where have you heard this line of argument before ?

Obviously some of the terms are different and the language is not quite so direct, but it is certianly a common enough argument.

I'll wait a little while to see how other people respond.

Jason

I can't help but wondering what part of my body you could possibly want.

Originally posted by jason

anybody without a well developed belief in God is obviously not a full human person.

Too self-evidently rediculous to be worth comment. Are you going to mention Nazis and death-camps now? I believe that's next on your usual silly repertoire...

Originally posted by EvoUK

Too self-evidently rediculous to be worth comment. Are you going to mention Nazis and death-camps now? I believe that's next on your usual silly repertoire...

No sillier than the moronic drivel you offer on this topic.

But of course I am only being tounge in cheek

Jason

Originally posted by jason

It isn't obvious ?

Where have you heard this line of argument before ?

I was sleepy, but I see where this is going.

Originally posted by jason

What do the other human persons here think ?

No doubt someone will object, saying something obviously ridiculous like, but atheists are persons.

But clearly this is mistaken because anybody without a well developed belief in God is obviously not a full human person.

What could be more obvious than that ?

How many full human persons do you know without a well developed belief in God. Obviously none, because if they were full human person they would have a well developed belief in God.

Now some people might object to killing atheists for there (and obviously it is there and not thier as they are not whos but whats ) organs but think of all the full human persons that would benifit from the organs and the medical research that could be done on these non-persons.

How could anybody object, they are not human persons and if you think we should not kill them then that is just because of out dated ideas and because they must really just want people to suffer. For shame on you !

So what do people think ?

Should we kill these atheist human non-persons for the benifit of fully human persons ?

Jason

Well actually, I could use a new liver - and rather quickly. Perhaps we could work something out?

Originally posted by seer

Well actually, I could use a new liver - and rather quickly. Perhaps we could work something out?

Take Evo's he isn't fully human anyway, so he may be killed if we wish.

Jason

I think jason's reasoning is ironclad. If one agrees that fully developed relationship with God is a requisite for personhood, then atheists and agnostics are not persons, and harvesting their bodies for organs is not morally any more suspect than (here it comes) abortion. Of course, the atheists will not not consider a relationship with an imaginary being as a necessary component for personhood, but this question wasn't directed to the cattle at all but rather to theists who agree with Jason's premise...

Originally posted by Archimedes

I think jason's reasoning is ironclad. If one agrees that fully developed relationship with God is a requisite for personhood, then atheists and agnostics are not persons, and harvesting their bodies for organs is not morally any more suspect than (here it comes) abortion. Of course, the atheists will not not consider a relationship with an imaginary being as a necessary component for personhood, but this question wasn't directed to the cattle at all but rather to theists who agree with Jason's premise...

Got it in one.

It is principally intended to hilight the stupidity of ideas of "personhood" being based on functional requirements.

Well done.

Jason

"there"[sic] as opposed to "here" body parts?

Originally posted by jason

What do the other human persons here think ?

No doubt someone will object, saying something obviously ridiculous like, but atheists are persons.

But clearly this is mistaken because anybody without a well developed belief in God is obviously not a full human person.

What could be more obvious than that ?

How many full human persons do you know without a well developed belief in God. Obviously none, because if they were full human person they would have a well developed belief in God.

Now some people might object to killing atheists for there (and obviously it is there and not thier as they are not whos but whats ) organs but think of all the full human persons that would benifit from the organs and the medical research that could be done on these non-persons.

How could anybody object, they are not human persons and if you think we should not kill them then that is just because of out dated ideas and because they must really just want people to suffer. For shame on you !

So what do people think ?

Should we kill these atheist human non-persons for the benifit of fully human persons ?

I think it sounds perfectly in line with what arrogant, fascist Christians like Jason have been doing throughout their allegedly Christ influenced history.

Historically, this kind of killing is done because the Christian wanted the other peoples land, gold, resources or their slave labor. Wanting body parts is certainly a new twist, but it really doesn’t matter what the “want” is, as long as the other person isn’t a Christian, he and his women and children can be slaughtered unmercifully as sub-human heathens.

Why not ask the native peoples of the 16th century of central and south America what they think Jason? Why not ask the various 19th century Polynesians and the native South Africans what they think? Why not ask the aboriginal Australians what they think?

Why not ask Pizzaro and Cortes and their armies why they thought their unmerciful killing and pillaging the native peoples of central and south America was completely justified in the name of their one true god? That it was god’s will and calling in their lives.

I’m sure if these same Christian soldiers were alive they would be more than happy to carry out your plan if it resulted in more money and fame for them. And I’m sure if you were a 16th century Spanish Christian soldier in their ranks you would of happily slaughtered anyone standing in your way on your “mission from god”…

LGM
…anyway…it sounds like a plan…why not come to my house first and try it?…

Originally posted by LakeGeorgeMan

I think it sounds perfectly in line with what arrogant, fascist Christians like Jason have been doing throughout their allegedly Christ influenced history.

Historically, this kind of killing is done because the Christian wanted the other peoples land, gold, resources or their slave labor. Wanting body parts is certainly a new twist, but it really doesn’t matter what the “want” is, as long as the other person isn’t a Christian, he and his women and children can be slaughtered unmercifully as sub-human heathens.

Why not ask the native peoples of the 16th century of central and south America what they think Jason? Why not ask the various 19th century Polynesians and the native South Africans what they think? Why not ask the aboriginal Australians what they think?

Why not ask Pizzaro and Cortes and their armies why they thought their unmerciful killing and pillaging the native peoples of central and south America was completely justified in the name of their one true god? That it was god’s will and calling in their lives.

I’m sure if these same Christian soldiers were alive they would be more than happy to carry out your plan if it resulted in more money and fame for them. And I’m sure if you were a 16th century Spanish Christian soldier in their ranks you would of happily slaughtered anyone standing in your way on your “mission from god”…

LGM
…anyway…it sounds like a plan…why not come to my house first and try it?…

Wow ... way to miss the point.

Impressive ...

Did you need to take classes to be able to miss the point this spectacularly, or is it just a natural gift ?

Jason

Originally posted by jason

Wow ... way to miss the point.

Impressive ...

Did you need to take classes to be able to miss the point this spectacularly, or is it just a natural gift ?

No, Jason, it is you who is ironically ignorant of the recent historical conquest and slaughter of countless other peoples by Christians, that was justified for the very reason your little parody gave....

...they were sub-human because they didn't believe in your god.

I saw your thinly disguised little parody, and preferred to turn it back around on you. I’m thrilled you are championing the rights of the unborn Jason, perhaps you should try and do it in a way where your foot isn’t in your mouth…

LGM
…that way you will be better understood and not made to look ridiculous by people like me…

No, Jason, it is you who is ironically ignorant of the recent historical conquest and slaughter of countless other peoples by Christians, that was justified for the very reason your little parody gave....

Well LG, it's not like slaughtering anyone for any number of reasons is actually wrong. After all we have no more inherent worth than the common house fly. Insignificant biological life forms on an insignificant planet.