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Evangelical Seminary's Outreach To Mormons Does Not Bridge The Gap
Published by Trout
November 20th 2004 |
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Richbee
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November 20th 2004, 12:54 PM
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Re: Evangelical Seminary's Outreach To Mormons Does Not Bridge The Gap
We now I can see why Ravi Zacharias would have skipped over such heavy bunching bag issues with Mormons.
I like the Ravi approach first, and insulting Brig' Yound and Jo' Smith first would no doubt creat the reverse miracle of deaf ears and closed minds, as the Mormons hear this all the time right? BTW, funny trivia in my life, I grew up near to the long ago home of one of these heretics, and in Southern Vermont, maybe Young? Who's family then moved to New York. Also, when Ravi preached Jesus, do the Mormons ever invite Jesus into their hearts? I don't believe that Ravi invited conversion, or Baptism. Is this a rub with Baptists? Go figure that!? |
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Trout
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November 20th 2004, 01:05 PM
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Re: Evangelical Seminary's Outreach To Mormons Does Not Bridge The Gap
He wouldn't have had to address those hot button issues, he could have contrasted Lds doctrine with Biblical doctrine in a way that would have challenged his target audience. richbee:Why would he have had to insult Joseph and Brigham? richbee:I don't think Ravi made an invitation. |
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t-rex
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November 21st 2004, 01:54 AM
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Re: Evangelical Seminary's Outreach To Mormons Does Not Bridge The Gap
Hi troutk13, just got done looking over Silvauk's article. I posted my initial response to it. If you get through it tell me what you think.
_______________________________________________- At the beginning of this article Silvuak asks two questions. One, “should all evangelism to Mormons be in the context of friendship?”; and two, “how far should our modes of evangelism cave to the culture?” His (overly long) answer is: (1) no, and (2) none. The middle of Silvuak’s article is a critique of the Bridges model of evangelism. This model focuses on relationships and highlighting Christian beliefs rather than denigrating mormon beliefs. I agree with Silvuak’s that this approach is long on friendship and short on evangelism. It’s friendship evangelism…without all that evangelism stuff! I also agree that the Johnson-Millet dialogue is a pointless exercise as well. But only because it is pseudo-dialogue; if you always talk around the important issues, you haven’t said anything. And, in all actuality, you’ve reinforced the greatest mormon defense tactic of not having to examine or honestly articulate their belief system. (At the same time, Christians don’t have to examine or articulate theirs either.) Silvuak’s solution is to return to what he calls “traditional confrontational evangelism.” He describes this as “evangelism that is primarily concerned about confronting with the gospel truth and not about first building friendships”. Unfortunately Silvuak doesn’t explain much more of his approach and seems to assume that we know the details. For example, he assumes that “traditional confrontational evangelism” is simply that: traditional. But traditional to whom? It certainly isn’t traditional to me, nor the family I grew up in, nor many of the people I grew up with (all in Utah). I guess it’s traditional to Silvuak, but that hardly makes it the default witnessing position. Taken as a whole, Silvuak’s default assumption about evangelism is that we must either chose truth or friendship. His syllogism states: Evangelism is truth, truth is confrontational, ergo, evangelism is confrontational. He further reasons that friendships are not confrontational; therefore, friendships are an evasion of truth. Thus he dismisses the “Bridges approach [that] seeks to earn the trust of the LDS individual in developing a meaningful relationship at the expense, at least initially, of contending for the truth. This is the stance of typical post-modern evangelism.” It should be noted that Silvuak will allow for some friendships- as long as they’re confrontational. Real Christians are “free to criticize their friends at any point during the friendship, for "faithful are the wounds of a friend" (Proverbs 27:6) even though a "friend loves at all times" (Prov. 17:17).” He concludes, “friendship becomes over-rated and an idol when it is divorced from the leading of "the Truth". This is the stance of typical traditional evangelism.” The only truth here is that Silvuak’s apologetic is a throw back to the us vs. them evangelism. This isn’t an article as much as it is a lament; a pious ode to the good ole days of hand-to-hand debate. In Silvuak’s world there are two choices he calls the typical post-modern evangelism or the typical traditional evangelism. It can only strike one as odd that Silvuak can so easily discern the speck in the post-modern eye, while missing the log in eye of the modern. He seems unwilling to examine his own presuppositions. Such as: his argument is right because it is the one he grew up with, ie, older is better. For all his jabbering about confrontational truth, he seems blissfully unaware of the fact that his Weltanschauung is simply an enculturated snapshot of the American evangelical in the mid-twentieth century. An evangelicalism grounded in the Kantian rationalism of the Enlightenment: he who dies with the best argument wins. This is most evident when Silvuak reluctantly admits that even though his evangelistic approach has not been productive, by God, at least it’s right. He states: And [1] should effectiveness be the determining factor as to how we do ministry anyway? Of course, [2] if God is not drawing an unregenerate individual to Himself by the exclusive preaching of the Word, perhaps He will do it via an extended friendship. But why should we automatically lead our evangelism with an extended friendship that at least initially refrains from criticism simply because some pastor-scientist-micro-managers view this as a "more effective" way? [3] If the mind is just as fallen as the heart, there's no guarantee that either will respond to the gospel or gospel-friendship appropriately at any point in the relationship. (numbering emphasis added) What a series of absolute contradictions! He maintains his approach is best even though (1) it is unproductive, (2) God compels people to respond regardless of the type of evangelism, and (3) the fallen mind can’t adequately respond to the confrontational message of truth anyways. Besides his jumble of Calvinism and Arminianism, he can’t seem to decide on what to predicate his Truth. Is Truth true because it is effective or because it is, well, truth. His dilemma is results or a tautology? But Silvuak’s “traditional, confrontational evangelism” suffers from bigger problems than simply being a mish-mash of contradicting theologies, American evangelicalism, and rationalism. I find a Silvuak a confusion about how the gospel is to be an offense or offensive. And, more to the point, a confusion about whom and what exactly is suppose to be the offense. In Silvuak’s theology sinners are confronted/criticized with a message of their wrong doing. The confrontation, and the definition of wrong-doing, is determined by Silvuak. If this is offensive, too bad; the gospel’s offensive. He reiterates, “Confrontational evangelism will not…compromise truth”. And further buttresses with a string of proof-texts: Christ Himself is "a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense" (1 Peter 2:8, KJV), and His disciples are called to "contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints" (Jude 3, NAS emphasis added) as well as to "demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God" (2 Corinthians 10:5, NIV). "Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for in the same way their fathers used to treat the false prophets" (Luke 6:26, NAS). Building bridges with LDS must never be at the expense of perpetually sparing the offensive truth of the gospel, watering it down, distorting it, or not being open for the Lord to use the preaching of His word and rebuking even "out of season" (2 Timothy 4:2).11 Silvuak’s theology stipulates that Silvuak be offensive, not Christ. The delivery of the gospel is offensive, not the gospel itself. I find it odd, and disturbing, that the main hallmark of a Silvuakian Christian is confrontation, yet we might say the biblical hallmarks are: loving, joyful, peaceful, longsuffering, gentle, good, faithful, meek, temperate. It is unfathomable to him that the messenger could be winsome, but the message difficult. It is also odd that he takes upon himself the responsibility of convicting others, when this is the express role of the Holy Spirit (Jn 16.8). Silvuak also defends his confrontational evangelism by stating, “Perhaps the Lord desires an individual to confront and criticize a stranger”. First, I’d be more than surprised to hear of a Spirit-led evangelism from Silvuak. Second, if it is Spirit-led directive, the biblical precedent is that it be exhortation, edification, or comfort (1 Cor 14.3). And then it is to fellow believers; I’m not sure of the biblical precedent of criticizing strangers. For Silvuak, the gospel is a message; not a power to change lives (Rom 1.16). Truth is an exegesis; not a demonstration of the Spirit and power (1 Cor 2.4). Silvuak is an offense; not Christ. Silvuak convicts; not the Holy Spirit. I realize that Silvuak comes from a large tradition of people who feel as he does. I am not trying to single him out nor castigate his genuine faith and zeal. I also suggest there are better ways of witnessing and gentler ways of evangelism. |
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Trout
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November 22nd 2004, 11:54 PM
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Re: Evangelical Seminary's Outreach To Mormons Does Not Bridge The Gap
This response came via email:
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Last edited by Trout : November 23rd 2004 at 10:51 AM.
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NestorianWillie
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November 23rd 2004, 05:57 PM
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Re: Evangelical Seminary's Outreach To Mormons Does Not Bridge The Gap
One simple thing needs to be held in mind so that this discussion doesn't become blurred, and that is that while the general debate between Christians as to how we best evangelize Mormons may (and certainly will) continue, the Ravi Zacharias issue (specifically his speaking in the Mormon tabernacle) is really about the few comments of a couple of guests from California (specifically, Fuller & Talbot Seminaries).
There is almost universal agreement from what I can tell on the following: (1) Bringing Ravi to SLC and getting the tabernacle hook-up was a great idea with a lot of potential to bring Mormons into an physical arena with which they are familiar while bringing them into a spiritual arena with which they are unfamiliar & thereby expose them to a dynamic hearing biblical truth. (2) Ravi did a fine job in a circumstance fraught with possible stickiness (and ickiness). The errors were on the part of the California boys (Mouw & Hazen), whose extra-curricular (and unnecessary) remarks took the 'friendship' to a level of a virtual make-out session, asking forgiveness for all evangelicals (implying we've all misrepresented and ill-treated Mormons), quoting Joseph Smith in favorable (even noble-sounding) tones, etc. Suffice it to say that whether you form tight friendships with Mormons in order to reach them or forego such intimacy & simply keep them engaged and challenged on their beliefs - either way, there is never a need for the ichthus to 'get it on' with the seagull, if I may speak symbolically. That doesn't do anybody any good; it's likely to confuse or mislead Mormons, to make Christians seem disingenuous, and make me feel like I need a shower afterwards. |
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Trout
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November 23rd 2004, 06:27 PM
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Re: Evangelical Seminary's Outreach To Mormons Does Not Bridge The Gap
Good observations Nestorian!
I certainly believe that both FE (Friendship Evangelism) and CE (Confrontational Evangelism) are very effective ways of reaching just about any group of lost individuals. I think the problem arises when one group feels the need to marginalize the other. Both groups serve a need in evangelism. Truth be known, both groups can enhance their effectiveness by demonstrating a certain degree of Christian unity. I come from the CE school, but I also engage in FE when possible. I wouldn't dream of telling my FE brothers and sisters to cease and desist, however, I've been confronted by well meaning Christians who would like to put a stop to my CE. Therein lies the problem, CE has proven itself to be a very effective way of reaching Mormons, there are countless testimonies revealing just how CE has been the tool God has used to change lives. Why would someone who chooses to exclusively engage in FE want the same from everyone? A friend of mine spoke with Ed Decker recently, who was CE if there ever was one. Ed said that he still receives on average 1000 emails a year telling of how his books and videos helped them escape the grasp of Mormonism. That's quite a figure, I don't think there is any way possible for one person using FE to touch that many lives. I can only wonder just how many lives the Tanners have touched. |
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NestorianWillie
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November 24th 2004, 11:03 AM
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Re: Evangelical Seminary's Outreach To Mormons Does Not Bridge The Gap
That's a great observation, my Nephite bro., and one that is probably lost in the whole discussion. Christians have a nasty (and errant) tendancy to seek 'the program' by which all the work is going to be done. And in that search for the One True Strategy (which I "know" to be true, I bear you my witness), we have to assume that the whole lot of the Mormons are a monolith.
But as someone who lives in the heart of it, you are aware of the multiple levels on which they exist - ranging from the totally clueless (who could benefit from a Tanners bookstore visit) to the utterly brainwashed & convinced (who may need some exposure to shocking information combined with a few genuine Christian friendships) to the rare apologist who reads FAIR's diet of bullcrap (needs a Christian friend to slap sense into him), to the 'jack' who knows about the "anti" literature (and secretly realizes the ugly truth) but figures that all churches are false at heart anyway - THAT guy needs a jolt of the reality of the Bible's reliable truthfulness & the overall coherence of real Christianity. To add a point to what you said about Decker & Tanners, probably the most encouraging newsletter I read is from Dennis/Rauni Higley, who have constant ongoing discussions with people around the globe, & their approach (kindness & friendship that delivers no-nonsense answers no matter how painful) sees amazing effects. As they say in Colorado City, Word to your mothers. |
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t-rex
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November 24th 2004, 06:55 PM
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Re: Evangelical Seminary's Outreach To Mormons Does Not Bridge The Gap
Hi everybody…
Two things I’d like gently and humbly to add. The first is that there seems to be a false dilemma being posited that we have to choose either CE or FE. Frankly neither of them has been that effective, esp. here in Utah. If one of these methods was sweeping people into the church there would be no point of discussion. But the fact is, over the last several decades, CE hasn’t made much of a dent. In the past decade, FE hasn’t made much of a dent. And it’s not just that huge revivals haven’t been taking place, it’s that Christian “witnessing” has effected only a fraction of a fraction of the people with whom we work, live, eat, and barbeque with. Most mormons are leave the mormon church because they simply have some kind of emptiness not being addressed, they have a dream where Jesus talks to them, they start praying to Jesus and their lives start to change, they were only marginal mormons anyway, etc. I've never heard a mormon say they changed because somebody came up them and said,"You worship a false Jesus" or some such. I find it hard to believe that there isn’t at least a cursory examination of the notion that we are simply using enculturated methods of evangelism that are simply reflective of our culture. Sometimes that works, most of the time we need something that transcends our culture. CE is old-school culture that relies on argument and “reason”. FE is new-school culture that relies on political correctness and spirituality. Our faith needs to have coherent, intellectual structure and it needs to have respect and sensitivity. But that is what gives shape to our faith, it is not the faith itself. Wasn’t it the evangelical saint, CS Lewis, whose most addressed point was the warning about the intellectualization of faith? It is the practice of faith, not the pronouncement of faith, which attracts peoples’ attention. In response: I’m not sure that such broad generalizations can be gathered as supportive evidence. Jesus, the apostles, and the OT prophets all engaged in CE? Which apostles were confrontational exactly? Paul’s evangelism centered around reconciliation. In Christ, we take part in God’s plan of reconciliation. We are then made a new creation and ambassadors; given the ministry of furthering that reconciliation. Paul states: “We give no offense in anything, that our ministry may not be blamed.” They (the apostles) are characterized as ministers by:
Which OT prophets were confrontational? Most of them. But:
Did he confront the drunkards and prostitutes…or was he noted for being their friend? Did he confront the religious leaders, yes. The religious leaders of Judaism, not paganism. So to the non-Christian types, Jesus is gentle and friendly. To the religious leaders, he is corrective; yes, even confrontational. So? Bring the peace and acceptance of God to the confused, outcast, the desperate. Let Christ confront the leaders of His church. As He does in Revelation. It is not our job. Yes, I think there is something intrinsically wrong with self-proclaiming ourselves as confrontational evangelists. We are ministers of God’s reconciliation. Ad 2: Mulholland et al would need some sort of evidence for this, and I I’d like to see the case be made. How about Morganthaler’s Worship Evangelism. She has hard data to back up her thesis. (Which is: all these Purpose Driven churches really aren’t any more effective comparatively; and neither are apologetic ministries. The churches that perform that best are those that worship the most consistently, spontaneously, and genuinely.) How about Wimber’s Power Evangelism. He puts in a lot of information and stats about what works on the mission field, (hint: it’s not argumentation). There is no community of people that are flourishing anywhere with just a “message”, regardless of how staunch they are about it. Ad 3: Going for the soft sell when one is in the minority runs a bigger Wow, the biblical model of evangelism is confrontation? I'd like to see that outlined. Let’s take a model and call it Transformation Evangelism. Let’s assume that God has grabbed hold of our lives, showed us the wretches that we were, and we turned to Christ. In Christ, we are made new creation, we are empowered by the Holy Spirit, we are made part of the body of Christ; we are made children of the day and the blindness of our culture has been removed. None of these are figurative statements; they are literal. We are the fragrance of God to those around us; not more white noise. (2C 2) We are living epistles written by the work of the Spirit. We are not paper arguments, listing what we consider to be the error of others. People are constantly reading us; they are not waiting to be lectured. (2C 3) Are not the people around us blinded by the god of this age? To what effect do we berate the blind for being so? Blinded eyes are opened by the regeneration of the Holy Spirit…no argument, confrontational or otherwise, opens blind eyes! Looking through the book of Acts, it’s hard to claim that the church grew from the confrontational demeanor of the apostles. Acts starts with the promise of the Holy Spirit coming to empower the Church. This empowerment is not better argumentation skills. When the Holy Spirit descends and in-fills the disciples, those standing around them see a dramatic difference in their behaviors and personalities. People witness the transformation in Christians. (Christians don’t witness to people?). People ask for an explanation of this transformation. Peter, Spirit-led, preaches to them, they respond. The preaching is secondary, maybe tertiary, at best. A Spirit-formed community follows. Some initial thoughts, got to run for a minute and get a turkey... t.rex |
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SlaveofChrist
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November 25th 2004, 04:44 PM
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Re: Evangelical Seminary's Outreach To Mormons Does Not Bridge The Gap
T-Rex- That was a well written and respectful analysis. I'm no regular on here (as of late) but I feel inclinded to defend my friend. I have spent weeks at a time staying with Rob Sivulka, as for Rob Silvuak, I am not sure who that guy is. I have spent hours upon hours with him, side by side, in evangelism to Mormons. From this I have observed:
That his method has been very productive, contrary to... [cite="This is most evident when Silvuak reluctantly admits that even though his evangelistic approach has not been productive, by God, at least it’s right."] I'm not sure that I caught any explicit admission of his lack of success. I have analyzed his returns compared to my own and the returns of hundreds of others. From what I have noticed he is doing rather well compared to everyone else- whether FE or CE. [cite="Silvuak’s theology stipulates that Silvuak be offensive, not Christ. The delivery of the gospel is offensive, not the gospel itself. I find it odd, and disturbing, that the main hallmark of a Silvuakian Christian is confrontation, yet we might say the biblical hallmarks are: loving, joyful, peaceful, longsuffering, gentle, good, faithful, meek, temperate. It is unfathomable to him that the messenger could be winsome, but the message difficult. "] I disagree that his theology stipulates that, and even if it does this is one point at which he is inconsistent with his theology. Amidst my many hours of evangelism with him I have noticed that he has been loving to the Mormon with whom he speaks. He is joyful over conversions, peaceful in demeanor when appropriate, quite patient, gentle in attitude, good in conduct, faithful in his work and to his word, meek in his knowledge concerning all 3 MA's and PhD work, and very temperate. It is very fathomable that the messenger could be winsome and the message difficult, because he is quite winsome. [cite="For Silvuak, the gospel is a message; not a power to change lives (Rom 1.16). Truth is an exegesis; not a demonstration of the Spirit and power (1 Cor 2.4). Silvuak is an offense; not Christ. Silvuak convicts; not the Holy Spirit. "] I wonder why we spend so much time in prayer before evangelizing? I think these are all assumptions made from his brief article that are simply not reality. I write this with all respect as I am not on the level of scholarship that you appear to be. But when it comes to experience of evangelism with Rob Sivulka- well, I got you there God Bless! |
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t-rex
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November 27th 2004, 01:43 AM
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Re: Evangelical Seminary's Outreach To Mormons Does Not Bridge The Gap
Hi SlaveforChrist, Thanks for the response. I didn't mean to write an article against Sivulka (I thought I spelled his name right, but obviously I missed!). I was just writing against a type of evangelism that I feel is overly emphatic on the argumentation side of things. The only reason Sivulka's name is even there is because he wrote the first article, and it would have taken me too long to write a response w/o sounding like I was responding to his article. I have no doubt that Sivulka is a great and generous Christian. However, on paper I am willing to address the view that he put forth. And, you are correct, all I had was the article to go from, so some assumptions were made. I didn't mean to make any about Sivulka, just what was written. Thanks for your graciousness in your response, t.rex |
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Bob Betts
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November 30th 2004, 02:33 PM
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Re: Evangelical Seminary's Outreach To Mormons Does Not Bridge The Gap
Though I have never been a big fan of "the litany of (in my opinion) sharper-than-necessary sound bites over a bullhorn" approach to street preaching, nor do I completely agree with Greg Johnson's ilk and approach to bridge-building if Greg's relationship with Bob Millet and their "debates" are the quintessential examples of it.
That being said, I welcomed and agreed with Rob's article. In His Service, Bob Betts Concerned Christians of Mesa, AZ |
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t-rex
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December 1st 2004, 01:53 PM
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Re: Evangelical Seminary's Outreach To Mormons Does Not Bridge The Gap
Hi Bob, Just curious, what parts of Rob's article did you agree with? Or is it only preferable to the Johnson/Millet traveling sideshow? Maybe more specifically, do you take the Confrontational Evangelism approach to the Hispanic, Catholic population in your area? In Him, t.rex |
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greyphilosophy
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December 3rd 2004, 09:00 PM
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Re: Evangelical Seminary's Outreach To Mormons Does Not Bridge The Gap
Hey Rob, long time no see.
I think the bridges program is worth a little more credit than you gave it. I think everyone in the bridges course I was in was there because they had an ernest desire to share the gospel, and I don't see the course dissuading that desire. Instead I see it as a process of building rapport, so that when the gospel message is delivered it will be understood to be truth. Even after "conversion" many former LDS struggle because they were indoctrinated with certain ways of thinking. Following the bridges program the evangelist would try to make this transition as smooth as possible by providing love and support. The program itself also helped a number of former LDS to be able to forgive the LDS church for having deceived them. Perhaps bridges will result in fewer people leaving the LDS church than traditional evangelism, but I would bet those that do leave because of the bridges program will be way more likely to stay in the Christian church. ~Alfred |
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Ross Anderson
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March 14th 2005, 04:23 PM
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Re: Evangelical Seminary's Outreach To Mormons Does Not Bridge The Gap
Hey, I just stumbled on to Rob Sivulka's article and this thread. It appears that the thread is dead, but as one who is quoted in the article, let me respond to a couple of things anyway.
First and most importantly, it somewhat misses the point to simply think of the Bridges approach in terms of the category of "friendship evangelism." The point is, rather, that those who minister in Utah or among Mormons should recognize that Mormonism constitutes a distinct culture. That's the point Ken Mulholland is making. Not that it isn't a cult in the traditional use of the word. But it is much more than that: it is an entire way of life, an identity. Thus we feel that ministry to Mormons should be approached with missiological insight. We should to about our ministry here in the same way a missionary would prepare for and engage in ministry in Thailand or Romania or anywhere. Bridges is far less about relational evangelism and far more about culturally sensitive, culturally informed evangelism. The fact is that one aspect of Mormon culture is sensitivity about persecution. That should be taken into account if our evangelism is to be wise. Another fact is that Mormons employ a different epistemology than Christians. While we don't give up our epistemology, we have to understand how the people we're addressing make decisions about truth, and factor that in to our evangelism. The whole point is simply this: what forms of evangelism are most fitting given the culture that is being addressed? I think anyone with common sense would recognize that, while the message is transcultural and unchanging, you would use different methods and approaches in different cultures. Second, someone mentioned the relative effectiveness of confrontational versus Bridges approach - Ed Decker gets a hundred letters a year, etc. It might be interesting to note that churches using a Bridges approach are seeing significant evangelistic fruit. Scott McKinney's church (he was quoted in Bridges) has an attendance of over 500, with over 60% being ex-LDS. I can give a number of illustrations of Utah churches with many, many conversions of ex-Mormons using the Bridges approach. Third, there is a place for an apologetics type ministry. It is absolutely necessary, and I don't know anybody who says otherwise. I honor and respect the foundational work done by the Tanners, Watchman Fellowship, MRM and others. I don't have a beef with Rob S. and his ministry at all. It has its place. But if you think about the reasons why most Mormons are Mormon, it has very little to do with beliefs or doctrine. People who are born into Mormonism don't stay Mormons because of Mormon doctrine. They stay loyal because this is their identity. People who convert to Mormonism rarely do so because of the doctrine. They do so because of relationships, because it answers a particular question in their life at the time, because they want to be part of a community, etc. That's one reason why I think the rational-apologetics method falls short. It treats people as if their cognitive function could be separated from their whole identity, as if a person is merely a disembodied head who makes all decisions based on a purely rational or informational basis. Fourth, the Bridges material is not devoid of evangelistic content. It would be a mistake to think that Bridges is only about making friends. The point is about speaking the truth in the context of trust, and with understanding of Mormons' cultural identity and not just their theology. When I teach Bridges, I always couple it with material from the Tanners and other sources. Bridges doesn't emphasize the content stuff because a lot of people have already done that really well. Fifth, I don't think there is a necessary connection between the Bridges approach and Greg Johnson's activities. Many of us who are quoted on Bridges are uncomfortable with the direction Greg has taken. Let me give an illustration. You have some pretty offensive, obnoxious street preachers around Temple Square. But that doesn't mean that what Rob Sivulka does is wrong or unsound. I would never judge him by the worst street preachers. Likewise I prefer not to be judged by Greg Johnson's approach. I count Greg as a friend, but I don't agree with and will not participate in several of the things he does. For example, I chose not to sit on the platform during the Ravi Zacharias meeting at the Tabernacle, when invited to join other pastors there. My biggest beef with Greg is his confusion of categories. A relational approach only works in private, where if I am misunderstood by my friend, I can correct that by further conversation. In a private dialog the flow of thought and information is manageable. Greg's mistake is to confuse the dynamics of private versus public discourse. If I take the dialog and make it public, anything said becomes subject to public misunderstanding. And of course, the relationship can then be publicily manipulated. This is a great conversation about strategic issues. I wish I had found this thread when it was live! Ross Anderson Wasatch Church Roy, UT |