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  February 3rd 2003 , 02:25 PM
 
 
 
 
 
I would like to redirect the discussion here for the theological importance of the subordination of the Son ot the Father as was brought up in my Proverbs 8 thread..

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  February 3rd 2003 , 06:47 PM
 
 
 
 
my thoughts can be found at the following (yet again)--
http://www.tektonics.org/PS_FS.html
http://www.tektonics.org/holtb01.html ("prolegomena" and "holt on the origin of the Son of God")
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I see the feminine Wisdom likened to Jesus comparing Himself to a 'hen' who gather's *her* chicks under *her* wings. May as well note the reference to the Church as the 'Bride' of Christ.

 
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I've seen in Heinz's "rebuttal' of JP's 'Widsom' article his reliance on the LXX in order to side-step 'qanah' in the Heb. Like Phantaz said, no difference whether the Heb. or LXX is used.

Of course one's gotta love the reference to Jesus recieving 'latreuo' [sacred service] in Dan7:14 [LXX]. They [ the JWs] don't want to hold a double-standard, now do they? ;)

 
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  February 5th 2003 , 06:48 AM
 
 
 
 
Dear AV:

[Gray Pilgrim please excuse the diversion one sec] you just GOTTA post some of that latreuo stuff here. I will probably repost here that Alpha and Omega piece I did contra Evangelion which BTW if you notice he never did supply his coherent rebuttal to. He did do some piecemeal stuff (and thus I will make some minor revisions in response) but not the enchilada.

 
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10-4 ;)

 
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