I believe so, but need as much info as I can get :-)

That is why I believe that Jesus Christ has a glorified human body now:

1. Acts 1:11"....This same Jesus who has been taken up from you into heaven will come back in the same way you saw him go into heaven."

SAME indicates that Jesus will have a body upon His return.

2. Philipians 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven-and we also await a savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 3:21 who will transform these humble bodies of ours into the likeness of his glorious body by means of that power by which he is able to subject all things to himself.

This verse above states that Jesus Christ has glorious human body, to which our bodies will be trasformed at His coming.


... That's all I could find so far... Any others?

In Christ's love,
Vladimir

I think it just seems the logical assumption really, if he had it then why should he get rid of it? And all the verses which refer to Christ being exalted to the highest place etc. would seem to refer to his human/messianic nature.

Those do not show anything oh having a body of flesh.


The assumption of most in Christianity is that Jesus was raised back in the same physical body that he died in. However, is this what the scriptures actually define.

A Life-Giving Spirit
In this first scripture for us to take into consideration the bible clearly states what Jesus became. Let us take a simple consideration of such.


1 Corinthians 15:45 So also it has been written, "The" first "man", Adam, "became a living soul;" the last Adam a life-giving Spirit.
This scripture is quite clear, really. Those who do not accept Jesus having becoming a spirit say this does not actually mean what it says! They say that because it has the clause "life-giving" it means he is not a spirit. However, is this a correct assumption? Well the best way to answer this is to simply look at the grammar here.

This phrase, translated "a life-giving spirit" is translated from the words eiV pneuma zwopoioun. An interlinear translation of such would read something like "into [a] spirit giving life." This word ZWOPOIOUN is a word denoting action, not identity. It is not saying he is a "life-giving spirit" as a person that simply gives life, but that he is "[a] spirit [who is] giving life."

A direct comparison can be made between this clause and the one made just before it. Here it says that Adam "became a living soul." We know from reading Genesis 2:7, that his is what Adam actually became:a soul, using the word ZWSAN, which denotes the action of living. This, of course, is contrasted with a dead soul (Ezekiel 18:4). So just as Adam became a soul who was alive, Jesus became a spirit who gives life.

Made Alive in the Spirit
This scripture, much like the last, is all too clear. A direct comparison is made from the way he died to the way he was made alive. It was in the flesh he was put to death, and it was in the spirit he was made alive.


1 Peter 3:18 Because even Christ once suffered concerning sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God; indeed being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the Spirit;
Really, this is quite a straight forward scripture. The only question might be of the translations that render this "by the Spirit." Really, there is no basis in grammar for this alternate rendering. While possible, the direct contrast is ignored and a theological bias is truly displayed. The vast majority of modern translations do render this "in the spirit."

Not Always Visible
One of the more interesting things about Jesus is that he often became visible. He was not always such. First, consider that he only became visible to those who God allowed him to.


Acts 10:40 God raised up this One the third day and gave to Him to become visible; 41 not to all the people, but to witnesses, the ones having been before hand-picked by God, to us who ate and drank with Him after His rising again from the dead.
Further, we know that not only did he become visible, but he also disappeared as well. Take note.


John 20:19 Then it being evening on that day, the first of the Sabbaths, and the doors having been locked where the disciples were assembled because of fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst and said to them, Peace to you.
Luke 24:36 And as they were telling these things, Jesus Himself stood in their midst, and said to them, Peace to you!

KJV Luke 24:31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.

Luke 24:34 saying, The Lord really was raised and appeared to Simon.


Both appearing and disappearing is not a characteristic of flesh, but that of a spirit. Again, providing evidence that Jesus was raised as a spirit, and not flesh.
His Appearance
One of the most interesting items in all of this is Jesus appearance. We are fortunate to have a description in Daniel of what an angel looks like in spirit form. Let us consider this account.


Daniel 10:5 then I lifted up my eyes and looked: And behold! A certain man was clothed in linen, whose loins were wrapped in fine gold from Uphaz. 6 His body was also like the beryl, and his face looked like lightning. And his eyes were like torches of fire; and his arms and his feet in color like polished bronze; and the sound of his words were as the noise of a multitude.
An interesting account of this angel, it provides a direct point of reference for us to determine what type of body Jesus is in. How so? Well this angel, in a spirit body, appeared as such. If Jesus was to appear as such as well, this could certainly be a determining factor. Does he do so? In fact, yes. Let us consider the account.


Revelation 1:13 And having turned, I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, having been clothed to the feet, and having been girded with a golden girdle at the breasts. 14 And the hairs of His head were white as white wool, as snow, and His eyes as a flame of fire; 15 and His feet like burnished brass having been fired in a furnace; and His voice as a sound of many waters;
This is certainly a striking similarity. If Jesus were flesh, would he not appear just as he did to the apostles? Certainly, because that was his body type. But rather, he appears as an angel! Certainly a key point worth noting.

Jesus as the Passover Sacrifice
We know that Jesus is called “the Lamb" and that he is the Passover sacrifice for us. We see this in the following verse.


1 Corinthians 5:7 Then purge out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, even as you are unleavened. For also Christ our Passover was sacrificed for us.
With this in mind, we can look back at the Biblical Passover account to determine what happened to Jesus flesh and blood.


With the Passover lamb, we know that first the blood would be poured out. The lamb would be eaten and then whatever remained of the lamb's flesh would be burnt up. Let us consider this account.

Exodus 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in this night, roasted with fire, and they shall eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs. 9 Do not eat it raw, or at all boiled in water, but roasted with fire; its head with its legs and with its inward parts. 10 And you shall not leave any of it until morning. And you shall burn with fire that left from it until morning.
Therefore, after this happening, for the Passover sacrifice to be completely fulfilled, his flesh would have been burnt up by the next morning. If this did not happen, he truly was not a sacrifice. Rather though, the Bible explicitely states that Jesus offered his body as such.


Hebrews 10:10 by which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
But does God accept and burn up sacrifices himself? Well we know he does!


1 Kings 18:38 And fire fell from Jehovah and burned up the burnt offering, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and the water in the trench was licked up.

This, of course, was a showy display, but it was intended as such. It does, though, set the precedent that Jehovah will take sacrifices up directly from heaven. Being that Jesus offered this body he was given, we know that God did the same. Further, the Bible clearly indicates Jesus having flesh was something past tense. Hebrews 5:7 In the days of his flesh [Christ] offered up supplications and also petitions to the One who was able to save him out of death, with strong outcries and tears, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. Thus, if this was something he did in the days of his flesh so that he was resurrected, he clearly is indicted to no longer be in his flesh.
Counter points

Not a Spirit?
Many will to a scripture that flat out states Jesus is not a spirit. However, should we be so quick to jump to the conclusion that this conflicts with what we just saw? No we shouldn't. First, let us examine the verse.


Luke 24:37 But being terrified, and being filled with fear, they thought they saw a spirit. 38 And He said to them, Why are you troubled? And why do reasonings come up in your hearts. 39 See My hands and My feet, that I am He? Feel Me and see, because a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see Me having.
Well there are two essential factors in understanding scripture, especially when a key word is involved. In this case we have the Greek word PNEUMA, so we must examine both the context and the semantic range of the word. In the case of PNEUMA, the symantic range is quite wide, but based on the context we can narrow it down to the following definitions.

From the Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament Based on Semantic Domains volume 2:

1) A supernatural non-material being
2) An evil supernatural being
3) An apparition, ghost

Now, we must consider the context of the scriptures. We can certainly rule out his making reference to number 1 because he clearly states that he is flesh. However, does this remove him from the category of spirit being in his resurrection? No, we know based on scripture it does not.

If we reference back to Genesis 18 we find the following of the angels:


Genesis 18:2 And he lifted up his eyes and looked; and, behold, three men were standing by him. And he saw, and he ran to meet them from the entrance of the tent. And he bowed to the ground.
Genesis 18:8 And he took curds and milk and the son of the herd which he had prepared, and he set before them. And he stood by them under the tree. And they ate.

Genesis 19:3 And he much urged them, and they turned in to him and came into his house. And he made a feast for them. And he baked unleavened cakes, and they ate.

We see three points here:

1) The angels were called men, and walked about as such
2) They ate food
3) They stayed with Abraham, and then later with Lot


Knowing that they were angels, and yet these things were true can we say that they were supernatural non-material beings? No. While they were certainly supernatural, they were far from being non-material in this state. Therefore, having said this, we can understand this point we know that Jesus was not simply saying he was not a supernatural non-material being, but that he was not an evil supernatural being or a ghost.

Therefore, to put this verse in summary, we understand the context and we understand why he could rightly say that he was not a spirit. This was just as the angels who appeared in the OT to Abraham and Lot. They would not have been able to rightly call themselves spirits at that time, for that would have equated to a lie, for they had assumed flesh.

It is key to note that angels, though spirits, are actually sometimes contrasted with spirits, showing that Jesus also would not have been removing himself from this category.


Acts 23:8 For the Sadducees indeed say there is no resurrection, nor angel, nor spirit. But Pharisees confess both. 9 And there was a great cry. And the scribes of the part of the Pharisees rising up, they were contending, saying, We find nothing evil in this man. And, If a spirit spoke to him, or an angel, let us not fight against God.
So then, we must ask, why did Jesus appear as such. Well if we follow the context of the parallel account in John, it clearly states the reason.


John 20:30 Then truly Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book.
We note that it says he did many OTHER signs, clearly indicating that this event of appearing was considered a sign.

The Temple
This next example is of Jesus speaking oh his temple being risen up after three days. Some will say that this must mean his flesh. However, with the way this is written, that is a very hasty conclusion.


John 2:19 Jesus said to them, Destroy this sanctuary, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then the Jews said, This sanctuary was forty six years being built, and do You raise it up in three days? 21 But He spoke about the sanctuary of His body.
Jesus made a beautiful illustration here. He referenced his body as a temple, in direct comparison to the Jewish temple. What makes this comparison so wonderful is that because of it we can clearly understand that the form he took after his resurrection would actually be quite different than that which he had before his resurrection. Consider the original temple that was destroyed in 60 by Babylon. It was brought to complete ruin.

Now "the temple" was rebuilt and brought to a completion roughly 200 years later. Was this the temple? Yes it was. However, the materials it was made out of and the form of it were vastly different. Yet, still, it was the temple.

This same can be said of Jesus. While his temple was brought to ruin, his temple was raised back up, but no longer in the same form and made of the same materials. Let us take see this in the scriptures though.


1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body; there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

So while he had a natural body of flesh, on his resurrection he was raised up a spiritual body as the angels have.

Thus, we can clearly conclude, with all the evidence considered, that Jesus must have had an angelic spirit body, not one of flesh, on his return to heaven.

Finally, in dealing with the following verse:

Philipians 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven-and we also await a savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 3:21 who will transform these humble bodies of ours into the likeness of his glorious body by means of that power by which he is able to subject all things to himself.

Now we must keep the following verse in mind.

2Co 5:8 even we are fully assured, and think it good rather to go away from home out of the body, and to come home to the Lord.

Keeping this verse in context, we know that the body of flesh is gone and these become spirit. Spirit bodies, just as angels have and as Jesus is shown to have in Revelation.


-Tony

In response....

Briefly, because there are others here (Jaltus, for one) with far better Greek skills than I who I hope will post here...

Paul's use of "spirit" (as you do point out) is very wide-ranging. The verses in question in 1 Corinthians touch upon the origin of the one created. Our origin is heavenly and Spiritual (of the Holy Spirit, I believe is the sense here)

As far as the properties of Jesus' body...he was able to eat, he offered for Thomas to touch him, and yes, he did walk through walls. He was not a "ghost" or an "apparition" but some kind of glorified body, an imperishible, immortal human being.

As far as Daniel 10...where in the text is the man identified as an angel? Furthermore, apocalyptic literature is notoriously difficult to interpret--it is metaphorical and at the same time points to reality. I wouldn't go there as a way of describing the physical, this-worldly realities of Jesus' body. The same goes for Revelation.

I'm not sure where you are going with the argument about the Passover--is the intent of those texts to describe the resurrected body or the physical result of sanctification? That doesn't seem to be their force.

Yes, Jesus' miraculous appearance to his disciples was a sign...but of his resurrection and God's vindication of his Messianic mission. I don't see how that fits into your discussion.

The discussion about the Temple, similarly, strains the force of those passages, which clearly refer to the rebuilding of Jesus' body (see John's gloss on Jesus' words).

I don't see any reason to assume we will have angelic bodies.... glorified, yes, but why wouldn't the scriptures be clearer about the issue, especially given Jewish hopes about the nature of the resurrection.

Conclusion:
Jesus is currently a glorified human being, to whom we are united by the Holy Spirit. Through this union we have the promise of our eventual glorification and perfected nature, of which he is the firstfruits.

Afterthought:
If we are going to assert that our resurrection results in the taking on of angelic bodies, what kind of an anthropology would that yield? Human beings are physical as creatures, and our consciousness is intertwined with our physicality. Although we can dwell in an intermediate state, the Bible does not treat that as normative.

Today @ 04:25 AM post located here
quetzalphoenix:
As far as the properties of Jesus' body...he was able to eat, he offered for Thomas to touch him, and yes, he did walk through walls. He was not a "ghost" or an "apparition" but some kind of glorified body, an imperishible, immortal human being.

I already addressed these points really, and they are of no consequence.

As far as Daniel 10...where in the text is the man identified as an angel? Furthermore, apocalyptic literature is notoriously difficult to interpret--it is metaphorical and at the same time points to reality. I wouldn't go there as a way of describing the physical, this-worldly realities of Jesus' body. The same goes for Revelation.

The simply fact remains that the person that appeared there had the same physical attributes in appearance as that of Jesus in Revelation.

I'm not sure where you are going with the argument about the Passover--is the intent of those texts to describe the resurrected body or the physical result of sanctification? That doesn't seem to be their force.

The point was to show that Jesus as the Lamb and our passover sacrifice, would follow the example set by the traditional Jewish passover sacrifice. According to that sacrifice, the body of flesh was burnt up by the next morning. Thus, Jesus, if he is TRULY the Lamb, would have had to have the same apply to him. If it didn't, he does not fit as our sacrifice.

Yes, Jesus' miraculous appearance to his disciples was a sign...but of his resurrection and God's vindication of his Messianic mission. I don't see how that fits into your discussion.

The fact that his appearing and in a specific way (with the wounds from his death), that, naturally, would have been healed when he was resurrection is called a sign.

The discussion about the Temple, similarly, strains the force of those passages, which clearly refer to the rebuilding of Jesus' body (see John's gloss on Jesus' words).

It hardly strains the force, but rather it is a realistic comparison. The temple was destroyed and rebuilt differently, as was Jesus body. Of paticular interest is that Jesus uses the word destroy, instead of simply kill, further going along with the idea that it was burnt up and not simply put to death.

I don't see any reason to assume we will have angelic bodies.... glorified, yes, but why wouldn't the scriptures be clearer about the issue, especially given Jewish hopes about the nature of the resurrection.

While the context of such is directly related to marrage, I think this is certainly food for thought:

Mark 12:25_For when they rise from the dead, neither do men marry nor are women given in marriage, but are as angels in the heavens.

Jesus is currently a glorified human being, to whom we are united by the Holy Spirit. Through this union we have the promise of our eventual glorification and perfected nature, of which he is the firstfruits.

You have still not provided any evidence to support this theory. Rather, the Bible clearly states in no uncertain terms that he was "made alive in spirit" and he "became a life-giving spirit."

If Jesus was RAISED in the spirit body, then how can you live with these passages in the Bible?

Luke 24:39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."

if you read a little more, you 'll note that:

"Luke 24:41 But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, "Have you any food here?" 42 So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. 43 And He took it and ate in their presence"

How can a spirit body eat?

I think that there is very little doubt that Jesus had physical human body after the resurrection... the question is whether He remains in that body.

In Christ,
Vlad

If you please take the time to make a complete reading of my original post you will see that these questions were completely addressed.

-Tony

What'll really blow your mind is if you start considering how God the Son had a bodily form before His incarnation 2,000 years ago.

Tony/

I plan to respond thoroughly to your post tonight. I think that, if I understand your position, what you are claiming is dangerous and actually undermines the argument of Paul in 1 Corinthians.

The resurrection (bodily) is my hope, for salvation as well as glorification. I'll write more when I get off work.

Today @ 04:02 PM post located here
quetzalphoenix:

Tony/

I plan to respond thoroughly to your post tonight. I think that, if I understand your position, what you are claiming is dangerous and actually undermines the argument of Paul in 1 Corinthians.

The resurrection (bodily) is my hope, for salvation as well as glorification. I'll write more when I get off work.

Honestly, sounds a lot like a Jehovah's Witness.

Tony, you do know that Jesus could do all those things in a bodily form since He is Jehovah, right? I fail to see why these invisibilities and "teleportations" would be a problem for God.

Today @ 11:17 PM post located here
RightIdea:


Honestly, sounds a lot like a Jehovah's Witness.

Tony, you do know that Jesus could do all those things in a bodily form since He is Jehovah, right? I fail to see why these invisibilities and "teleportations" would be a problem for God.

See, you fail to understand what happened. It wasn't simply that he "teleported" but that he actually had to BECOME visible. If he was flesh, he would be visible and would thus "telelport," but the scriptures tell us he became such, showing a reverse of the situation you claim.

Act 10:40 God raised up this One the third day and gave to Him to become visible;

-Tony

Today @ 04:49 PM post located here
Tsmith:
See, you fail to understand what happened. It wasn't simply that he "teleported" but that he actually had to BECOME visible. If he was flesh, he would be visible and would thus "telelport," but the scriptures tell us he became such, showing a reverse of the situation you claim.

Act 10:40 God raised up this One the third day and gave to Him to become visible;

-Tony

Tony, may I ask, what translation are you using?

Today @ 12:01 AM post located here
RightIdea:


Tony, may I ask, what translation are you using?

That particular one is the LITV, however, I have a substantial library of them, so I have no problem using any, as long as you don't mind my going back to the Greek from time-to-time.

-Tony

Today @ 05:02 PM post located here
Tsmith:
That particular one is the LITV, however, I have a substantial library of them, so I have no problem using any, as long as you don't mind my going back to the Greek from time-to-time.

-Tony

LITV? I don't even know what that is. Anyone?

Tony, because your doctrine and hermeneutic are so unorthodox, may I ask what sect you are coming from? Most non-JWs, when it is inferred that they might be of the Watchtower, will jump at the chance to distance themselves from that group.

So, then, are you associated with the Watchtower? Are you a Jehovah's Witness? I just want to understand where you're coming from, so I can better comprehend where you're going with all this.

Today @ 12:09 AM post located here
RightIdea:


LITV? I don't even know what that is. Anyone?

Tony, because your doctrine and hermeneutic are so unorthodox, may I ask what sect you are coming from? Most non-JWs, when it is inferred that they might be of the Watchtower, will jump at the chance to distance themselves from that group.

So, then, are you associated with the Watchtower? Are you a Jehovah's Witness? I just want to understand where you're coming from, so I can better comprehend where you're going with all this.

LITV- Literal Translation of the Holy Bible. While based on the Textus Receptus, the translation quality itself is generally good.

Yes, I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I was invited to post here by one of the admins who had contacted me via email, and so here I am.

-Tony

Today @ 05:12 PM post located here
Tsmith:
LITV- Literal Translation of the Holy Bible. While based on the Textus Receptus, the translation quality itself is generally good.

Yes, I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I was invited to post here by one of the admins who had contacted me via email, and so here I am.

-Tony

Literal translation by who? I know of several literal translations, including Young's, but I take it that this isn't Young's.

Yes, I figured you were JW. Wasn't looking to make you feel unwelcome. We have all kinds of non-Christians here, from atheists to witches (like I was a few years ago). It's just that it's often helpful to know where someone is coming from when you're discussing or debating theology. Thanks for being up front.