Originally posted by Johnny EC

Originally posted by Lazy Agnostic

Do you believe in Fatima and Lourdes and many other appearances by Mary? How about Tortilla Mary or Water Stain Mary? Can you guess why an apologist refuses to touch the topic?

What a joker. Refuse to touch the topic? There was a topic about the Lourdes in Apologetics somewhere and I don't recall the apologists not touching it. Quite the opposite in fact, the skeptics tried to touch it and pulled out a stump where their hand used to be.

Originally posted by Lazy A

Not that easily, especially if there is seconday gain by her testimony. Do you really think a jury in a capital case is going to buy the testimony of a looney, unbalanced social misfit like Dee Dee Warren, for example?

Here we go -- another of those emails that manages to rebut everything I've written, in detial (he used my real name, I subbed JPH):

The increasing tolerance toward homosexuals in recent times should not blind us to the fact that gays can be a menace, a destructive force in society. And here's the oens who are: deeply closeted, self-hating gays. Finding the pressure intolerable, they sometimes seek relief by projecting this hate onto others. Being painfully aware of their sexual unorthodoxy, they may overcompensate by being hyper-orthodox in every other way, and by attacking the unorthodoxy of others.

This is what motivated Roy Cohn, the weaselly sidekick of Joe McCarthy. And it also motivated David Brock, right-wing character assassin par excellence, who did more than anyone to whip up the bogus Impeachment Crusade agaisnt President Clinton.

But something happened to David Brock: He admitted to himself that he was gay, and stopped hating himself for it. Once that happened, he no longer felt the need to be a character assassin, and he repented of his evil ways.

YOU can know this same relief. You don't need to pretend anymore. Not in this day and age. There's a lot of tolerant people who will accept you as you are. Stop hating yourself. Stop being a negative force in society, projecting this hate onto others and needing to be a vicious attack dog. The world needs more positive people and that they're gay doesn't matteer to anyone but the negative and ahteful. Why ally yourself with them, with those who hate you and make you hate yourself?

It starts with a single step: Face yourself in the mirror and say,

"My name is J. P. Holding and I'm gay!"

Everything else will follow. You'll feel so much better.

Wait'll my wife gets the news.

Originally posted by jpholding

Here we go -- another of those emails that manages to rebut everything I've written, in detial (he used my real name, I subbed JPH):

Weren't you gonna get that changed?

Originally posted by Darth Executor

Weren't you gonna get that changed?

Yeah. Had to put the money towards my new AC instead.

Originally posted by jpholding

Here we go -- another of those emails that manages to rebut everything I've written, in detial (he used my real name, I subbed JPH):

Wait'll my wife gets the news.

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IT'S BIG GAY HOLDING'S FAAAAAABULOUS XTIAN APOLOGETICS SITE!

Originally posted by email

But something happened to David Brock: He admitted to himself that he was gay, and stopped hating himself for it. Once that happened, he no longer felt the need to be a character assassin, and he repented of his evil ways.

David Brock's still a character assassin; he only switched sides.

Twin award for Farrell Foo Foo Till and his obsessed fans. One for his unnamed thrall for sending him a link to this statement I made:

Yeah, well, dude, know what I did in church during the sermon 2 weeks ago? I sketched 40 pages of script for Shrike Team #3. Wanna know how often I read the Bible? 5 minutes a day, to the Mrs. in the evening. Wanna know how much I pray a day? 5 seconds at meals. Wow. I've got the brainwash, huh????

And one for Foo Foo himself, for this commentary on it:

I didn't need to hear this in order to know that [Holding] doesn't read the Bible very much, because his limited knowledge of it shines through in his articles, but I was a bit surprised to see him admitting it in a public forum. For some time, I have been working on an article that analyzes the language in [Holding]'s articles to show that he not only lacks any depth of biblical knowledge but also doesn't really believe that the Bible is what he defends in his articles, but I have been sidetracked by other projects that require me to put this article on hold. I hope to finish it someday. Anyway, I thank [Holding] for publicly admitting that he is not what he tries to present himself in his articles. It gives me a link to use when I continue to point out his biblical ignorance and hypocrisy.

Looks like someone doesn't know the difference between devotional reading (which was DJ's obvious point) and serious study via commentaries and reference materials. I spend all day, literally, in the latter. Mega-screwball, dewd.


(Added: A little note for Foo Foo's obsessed fan: After looking at Foo Foo's article this was in, I have declared the article Too Stupid To Reply To ™. I feel safe with this especially because it is so droningly dull that I doubt if anyone other than a narcissist [him] or a sado-masochist could get throught it and figure out what he's saying. Please let him know. Thank you. )

That inspires a new "You may be a fundy atheist if..." entry:

You say that if a Christian reads their Bible a lot, they are brainwashing themselves. But if they don't read it much, you accuse them of being ignorant.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Till for president.

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And I'm still waiting for an apology for this...

http://www.tektonics.org/tsr/tillsorry.html

Lazy A:

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...3&postcount=33

Originally posted by ApologiaNick

As for your comment on Xena, I'll let her handle that, but I will say I don't appreciate my friends being described as looney unbalanced social misfits.

Originally posted by Lazy Agnostic

She's not Xena---but she is wont to display graven images of that sexually-provocative, thinly-veiled lesbian icon.

A jpeg is a "graven image"?

Oldskool Lazy A:

"Holding Holding Holding Holding Holding Holding Why does God hate lobsters and midgets? Holding Holding Holding Holding Holding Holding Holding Holding Holding Holding Holding Holding [insert JP's real name here] Holding Holding Holding WAAAAAAH! I told Bruce Malina what a big meanie you are Holding Holding Holding Holding Holding Holding Holding you calling me on my misrepresentations shows your lack of spiritual growth Holding Holding Darth Executor Holding..."

New Lazy A:

"DeeDee DeeDee DeeDee DeeDee DeeDee DeeDee DeeDee DeeDee and Holding wink wink nudge nudge say no more say no more DeeDee DeeDee DeeDee DeeDee DeeDee DeeDee DeeDee DeeDee DeeDee is a socially unbalanced neurotic misfit DeeDee DeeDee I didn't mean it that way DeeDee DeeDee DeeDee DeeDee DeeDee DeeDee Xena=Lesbian wink wink nudge nudge say no more say no more DeeDee DeeDee DeeDee NO, DEEDEE'S AVATAR, YOU SHALL NOT SEDUCE ME!"

Wasn't he banned? How come they let him out of the cage again?

Originally posted by Darth Executor

Wasn't he banned? How come they let him out of the cage again?

Matrixed for a while. But everyone usually gets extra chances.



Special ANTI-Screwball award to a guy under the name of "Like Crimson" over at waroneaster.org. He added a comment to the entry about my response under Sheila's name. One of the atheist nutcases implied that Sheila's low cut top was pornography. His reply was priceless:

"Look at the bunny at the top of the [waroneaster.org] page. He's naked! "

"Lost" On Paul:

I wonder why God need Paul at all?
Jesus hand-picked 12 guys and mentored them for 3 years.
They were jews but then so was Paul.
Paul can't have been anymore qualified to preach to the gentiles than the 12 disciples.
How can vision accomplish in a few minutes what couldn't be accomplished in 3 years?
Was Jesus not good at training while on earth but did a refresher course after going up to heaven and was then able to do a fantastic job on Paul but left the rest of the disciples to rot?
I mean how much of the new testament is written by the disciples?
Almost nothing.
Awful lot of sand sitting on top of the rock I think.
House must be built on rock - hmmmm.....

On apologetics sites:

When I try to find rebuttals to skeptic type criticisms of the bible I get lost in their arguments.
Some of the skeptic sites are very easy to understand and laid out in a very easy to read manner.
Even on this board the arguments get way too complex for me.
I'm sure I can't be the only one put off by the complexity of the arguments.
Does anyone know of simpler sites written by christians who have been down the skeptic path and managed to get back again.
I hope to get back myself but atm I can't see how - I am overwelmed with very forceful arguments showing a picture of a nice jesus for whom lots went wrong at the end, followed by a jerusalem church that was much closer to Jesus's teachings than Paul.
Paul it seems unwittingly hijacked the teachings of Jesus and was in turn hijacked knowingly by the Catholic church.
This concept seems to make all my problems with scripture fixed in one foul swoop.
Tektonics is too complex most of the time altho I'm sure the author means well and lots of people with a hight IQ than me can follow it quite well.
The skeptics seem to set things out much more simply and understandable.

This guy is a screwball mine. See if ya'll can dig out some more of his junk.

War on easter:

The zombie has flown into the air, to leave us alone until he comes back in December as a baby. (Which, come to think of it, means God raped Mary a couple weeks ago. UPDATE: A comment informs us that the zombie will actually be walking among us for 39 more days. Keep an eye out. Also, Mary may actually have been raped by an angel, armed with God’s semen. Don’t be shocked. In myth, gods rape humans all the time. Christianity didn’t invent it, just borrowed it.)